Adam Miller transfers to LSU

[TarheelIllini]

True. He also increased his PT (nearly 30 mins/game) and scoring output (13 ppg) compared with last season here. But his team finished solidly in the middle of the ACC only a game over 0.500, and a couple slots below Penn State on Pomeroy's rankings. I'm pleased for him that SYR got on a streak and he got further in the tournament than we did, and also that he probably enjoyed more tick than he would have in Champaign. It's unclear, however, whether any of that translates to greater future opportunities for him or present contentment than he had with the Illini. Mom and Dad had quicker trips to see him play, no doubt. Beyond that, ????

EDIT: As another poster above noted, and I noticed while watching the Orange in the tourney, he spent a lot of time on the bench in March relative to those 29 mins/game during the overall season.

Many Syracuse fans are expecting Alan Griffin to transfer. (And some are just hoping he transfers.) He spent the second half of the season in the doghouse. It is unclear, though, if he can transfer given that he has already transferred once without having to sit out a year.

 

[JJB]

My bigger concern with Miller leaving, is this the end of the short lived MIF honeymoon??

If the MIF is discontent with one its alums taking the limelight from another one of its alums, then what can you really do?

 

[Deleted member 29907]

True. He also increased his PT (nearly 30 mins/game) and scoring output (13 ppg) compared with last season here. But his team finished solidly in the middle of the ACC only a game over 0.500, and a couple slots below Penn State on Pomeroy's rankings. I'm pleased for him that SYR got on a streak and he got further in the tournament than we did, and also that he probably enjoyed more tick than he would have in Champaign. It's unclear, however, whether any of that translates to greater future opportunities for him or present contentment than he had with the Illini. Mom and Dad had quicker trips to see him play, no doubt. Beyond that, ????

EDIT: As another poster above noted, and I noticed while watching the Orange in the tourney, he spent a lot of time on the bench in March relative to those 29 mins/game during the overall season.

Boeheim builds his team for the tourney - specifically running a zone D with long athletes that most teams are not used to playing against. Works very well in a "We don't see this very often" confrontation, but in conference teams start to overcome that with better talent and familiarity. Thus, if he makes the tourney, he's got a decent chance of winning a few.

If your goal is to win games against teams who are not used to playing against a zone, it works pretty well. I am not a fan of the strategy, but it works for him.

 

[Illini1974Ever]

Checked around, looks legit, frak! Agree with above, hoping its because of Burnette and TyTy.

When I seen it ,Was the first thing I thought of was may be good as far as Burnette coming..
Not surprising seems to be the thing in college hoops right now ..SUCKS FOR SURE!

I-L-L

 

[Illini1974Ever]

Disappointing ending, sure, but who in his right mind isn’t in disbelief at the repairing of this program’s status since Underwood got here? And it’s tied DIRECTLY to dramatically increasing the talent.

Yes!!
Par for the course in CBB right now..We are the ILLINI!! WE ARE AND WILL BE FINE.
Step back but we will survive.

 

[Mr. Roberts]

Have a gut feeling they will start to funnel them to juwan in Ann Arbor.

Really hoping Juwan gets an NBA offer he can't refuse. Had my fill already.

 

[Manual3for4peat]

Really hoping Juwan gets an NBA offer he can't refuse. Had my fill already.

Let’s just keep kicking his !!! on the court. Let him win those recruiting games.

 

[Roundball Sage]

It might be said that with Miller leaving the Fighting Illini, this is the second time in history that Adam has been expelled from Paradise.

Good luck to Miller as he takes that second bite of the apple. And Adam, look out for any snakes around you.

 

[SuperintendentChalmers]

IIRC back then a hardship transfer was rare, and cause for such difficult to substantiate, and he would have had to sit out a season, no? Obviously, the reduction in price paid for transferring has rather lubricated the market.

Liberty was also a Prop 48 player, which means that he sat his freshman year because his scores weren't high enough. Even if he were unhappy with his sophomore minutes in the Final Four year, it's unlikely that he would have wanted to sit out for the second time in three years.

 

[WeWillWhen]

My bigger concern with Miller leaving, is this the end of the short lived MIF honeymoon??

Well, 2020 IBCA Coach of the Year Nick Irvin would have won the Loyola game by 40, so perhaps Whitman should kneecap Underwood and give Nick a 10 year contract.

 

[Oldskoolkoach]

We can replace the stats, but Sophomores are better than Freshman and Miller definitely had potential to put up much bigger numbers than that. He was going to fill Ayo's role as best as he could.

You are right

 

[illiniguy]

Well, 2020 IBCA Coach of the Year Nick Irvin would have won the Loyola game by 40, so perhaps Whitman should kneecap Underwood and give Nick a 10 year contract.

Just 10 years? How about a lifetime contract like Self's? Must continue through illegal activity as well.

 

[DaChief4ever]

Alan Griffin definitely improved his situation personally at Syracuse. For one, he played ALOT more. He played 29 mpg. At Illinois he only played 18 minutes. He also played mostly SF there, whereas at Illinois he was playing the 4 mostly. Sure, Illinois was a better team, but Syracuse still went further in the tourney and Griffin played a lot more (which means the most to a player is playing time). And it was close to home.

If you can argue to a player that you’re gonna olay more minutes, go further in the NCAA tourney, and be closer to home - most are going to take that.

Adam Miller situation is completely different. He was already playing a ton of minutes (most minutes played of any true freshman in the portal), and he’s already at home.

He didn't work on his "stomp" technique did he ( Purdue ).

 

[RML]

Since we've seen the footage of Hutch, I've always assumed that is what he was giddy about. I know I'd be pumped if I'm a coach and you see/hear about the progress he's made, especially if the docs are saying this should be behind him.

But there was no rule barring him from talking about that, right? I took his comment as meaning he had something that he couldn't talk about.

 

[Kofiisforclosing]

At some point I hope the staff has the time to put in their due diligence getting to know kids and more importantly their families. Too often, it seems, when we are dealing specifically with one family member pulling too many of the strings it doesn't end up being great for us. It's not a coincidence Ayo has a great level headed family and he ended up being here 3 years instead of declaring for the draft after year one despite not being ready (DJS), transferring after a semester (Burnett), or transferring from here after a year (Miller).

In a recruitment like Podz's, for example, I feel like Brad Underwood has really gotten to know his father to gauge potential red flags which will be increasingly important as long as this no sit out a year thing exists. I don't know much about Bass yet, who's tape I love by the way, but I would guess they have some really good insight on him as well.

 

[skyIdub]

Why do I feel like Hutch will never suit up for us?

Honestly I don't think that is the question. I think the question is can he hold up through a full B1G season. HIs updates make it pretty clear he can practice and isn't limited much, but who knows how his body will respond to contact and falls.

 

[Emerson Bigguns]

Why do I feel like Hutch will never suit up for us?

Probably because he’s been on the team for 2 years and never suited up for us?
Right now it’s easy to question everything... the only certainty is that the roster will look a whole lot different on August 1st than it did on March 1st.

 

[Oldskoolkoach]

Alan Griffin definitely improved his situation personally at Syracuse. For one, he played ALOT more. He played 29 mpg. At Illinois he only played 18 minutes. He also played mostly SF there, whereas at Illinois he was playing the 4 mostly. Sure, Illinois was a better team, but Syracuse still went further in the tourney and Griffin played a lot more (which means the most to a player is playing time). And it was close to home.

If you can argue to a player that you’re gonna olay more minutes, go further in the NCAA tourney, and be closer to home - most are going to take that.

Adam Miller situation is completely different. He was already playing a ton of minutes (most minutes played of any true freshman in the portal), and he’s already at home.

I thought he was wanting to be a PG though

 

[Govoner Vaugn Fan]

I don't have all the stats needed to do a full analysis, plus it would involve math..... But looking at the raw numbers it looks like there are about three transfers in the portal for every D1 program. In an average year most D1 programs need about three or four new players to replace graduating seniors and transfers. Usually these slots are filled mostly with incoming freshman recruits. This year we have the usual crop of incoming freshmen, plus seniors staying for the 'covid year', plus a buttload of transfers. Seems to me when when the music stops there will be a lot more players than scholarship chairs to seat them, unless a lot of transfers are willing to go to the low and mid-major route, assuming those schools haven't already filled their roster with incoming freshmen.

 

[wewillwint]

I don't have all the stats needed to do a full analysis, plus it would involve math..... But looking at the raw numbers it looks like there are about three transfers in the portal for every D1 program. In an average year most D1 programs need about three or four new players to replace graduating seniors and transfers. Usually these slots are filled mostly with incoming freshman recruits. This year we have the usual crop of incoming freshmen, plus seniors staying for the 'covid year', plus a buttload of transfers. Seems to me when when the music stops there will be a lot more players than scholarship chairs to seat them, unless a lot of transfers are willing to go to the low and mid-major route, assuming those schools haven't already filled their roster with incoming freshmen.

well with 360 programs times 3 you would be correct

 

[illiniguy]

I don't have all the stats needed to do a full analysis, plus it would involve math..... But looking at the raw numbers it looks like there are about three transfers in the portal for every D1 program. In an average year most D1 programs need about three or four new players to replace graduating seniors and transfers. Usually these slots are filled mostly with incoming freshman recruits. This year we have the usual crop of incoming freshmen, plus seniors staying for the 'covid year', plus a buttload of transfers. Seems to me when when the music stops there will be a lot more players than scholarship chairs to seat them, unless a lot of transfers are willing to go to the low and mid-major route, assuming those schools haven't already filled their roster with incoming freshmen.

This year it should all even out. The seniors staying for an extra year don't count against the scholarship limit. And for every transfer into a school, filling up a scholarship, there is a transfer out of their previous school, freeing up a scholarship. So the total number of incoming recruits should stay roughly the same. They might not get as much playing time as usual though, because of the added 5th year seniors. (There might even be extra recruits to replace the scholarships of those stuck in the portal without a team.)

I don't know how it will work out next year, depending on whether the extra year next year's seniors can take counts against the scholarship limit or not. If it does count against the scholarship limit, then it could be a problem for next year's number of recruits.

 

[illini80]

I don't have all the stats needed to do a full analysis, plus it would involve math..... But looking at the raw numbers it looks like there are about three transfers in the portal for every D1 program. In an average year most D1 programs need about three or four new players to replace graduating seniors and transfers. Usually these slots are filled mostly with incoming freshman recruits. This year we have the usual crop of incoming freshmen, plus seniors staying for the 'covid year', plus a buttload of transfers. Seems to me when when the music stops there will be a lot more players than scholarship chairs to seat them, unless a lot of transfers are willing to go to the low and mid-major route, assuming those schools haven't already filled their roster with incoming freshmen.

Agree. There will likely be a number of unhappy portal-ers when this is all said and done. And I would not be surprised to hear some pushback by players that want their scholarship $$ covered in some way if they end up without a team. They will need a creative lawyer to find a justification, but they are out there.

 

[illini80]

This year it should all even out. The seniors staying for an extra year don't count against the scholarship limit. And for every transfer into a school, filling up a scholarship, there is a transfer out of their previous school, freeing up a scholarship. So the total number of incoming recruits should stay roughly the same. They might not get as much playing time as usual though, because of the added 5th year seniors.

I don't know how it will work out next year, depending on whether the extra year next year's seniors can take counts against the scholarship limit or not. If it does count against the scholarship limit, then it could be a problem for next year's recruits.

It appears to me that there will be expanded scholarships limits for the next 4 years since last year did not count for anyone. How transfers play into that is interesting.

 

[skyIdub]

well with 360 programs times 3 you would be correct

Even Danville public high school math can do this!!

 

[Govoner Vaugn Fan]

Agree. There will likely be a number of unhappy portal-ers when this is all said and done. And I would not be surprised to hear some pushback by players that want their scholarship $$ covered in some way if they end up without a team. They will need a creative lawyer to find a justification, but they are out there.

And if there are many returning seniors, there will be programs with 15 or more scholarship players and a lot of freshman, and other underclassmen sitting, unhappily, on the bench while the seniors get their 5th year on the court.