Illinois 87, Iowa 83 Postgame

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skyIdub

Winged Warrior
Who said anything bad about Da’Monte?

The regression in his jump shooting is unfortunate, but he’s still absolutely essential and one of our best players. One of those guys you just hate playing against, he makes the game miserable because he’s always pushing the envelope of getting any tiny edge.

When he’s done they’ll have to make a highlight reel of “Da’Monte Williams’ most critical stolen extra possessions and fouls drawn” and it will be like an hour long.

Maybe you skipped some pages/posts? It was a few pages back, but.....more regrettably...it's been here every year DMFW has played.

Too many people were obsessed with comparing him to his dad or not being offensively gifted. Start Tev Jones...start Alan Griffin....an on and on. Seriously.

My eyes see DMFW more confident on offense than at any point in his college career. He won't replicate last seasons 3pt%, but that is more of an outlier than an "improvement", followed by a "regression". He's not ever going to be as fluid with his dribble drives and he'll never be the finisher that his dad was...but I love to see that he's willing to go in there more this year than ever now that he's been on the ball with Curbelo out.

I love him...and I just wish more posters would have a better perspective with the player that he is...instead of wishing he was something else.

We simply don't win even half of these B1G road games over the last two years without DMFW.
 
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Re the press, although we did turn it over, our guys did seem more composed and not just making desperate passes (like we did in years past), but rather did not have the urgency to push as soon as the clock started. It would seem to be easy to program the shot clocks to turn red for a second 10 seconds when it hits 20 (like when it expires but without the buzzer) as a reliable way of indicating whether they were across in time or not, but it also seems like the refs really like keeping this call in their own pocket to affect momentum as they wish...
IIRC that won't work, because at least when the ball is being rebounded, unlike the play clock, the 10s clock is not supposed to start until the opposing team has control of the ball. The play clock resets as soon as the ball hits the hoop. The refs can't assume which team will get the rebound, so have to wait to see who gains control.

Someone correct me if I got this rule wrong. Maybe I'm remembering the olden days since I'm old, but I thought that someone (timekeeper?) used to actually start a stop watch to keep track of the 10 seconds.
 
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#330      

ChiefGritty

Chicago, IL
Maybe you skipped some pages/posts? It was a few pages back, but.....more regrettably...it's been here every year DMFW has played.

Too many people were obsessed with comparing him to his dad or not being offensively gifted. Start Tev Jones...start Alan Griffin....an on and on. Seriously.

My eyes see DMFW more confident on offense than at any point in his college career. He won't replicate last seasons 3pt%, but that is more of an outlier than an "improvement", followed by a "regression". He's not ever going to be as fluid with his dribble drives and he'll never be the finisher that his dad was...but I love to see that he's willing to go in there more this year than ever now that he's been on the ball with Curbelo out.

I love him...and I just wish more posters would have a better perspective with the player that he is...instead of wishing he was something else.

We simply don't win even half of these B1G road games over the last two years without DMFW.
It is really amazing what a night-and-day different player he is from his dad stylistically, who also faced a lot of unfair criticism of what he wasn’t which ignored what he was, in the opposite direction.

Now, take the best parts of father and son and you’ve created Chris Paul, but alas.
 
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bent his left leg un-naturally to fall down to my eyes, didn't see any contact from Kofi at all
Still not a smart play by Kofi, you just have to let that one go. I like the hustle though.
Right? I mean, minus the foul, he closed out on two 3 point shooters in the same possession with a vengeance. I thought he was going to land on their bench and kill somebody on the first one. He may have fouled the Dorky McCaffery but still one heckuva motor on a dude that big.
 
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skyIdub

Winged Warrior
It is really amazing what a night-and-day different player he is from his dad stylistically, who also faced a lot of unfair criticism of what he wasn’t which ignored what he was, in the opposite direction.

Now, take the best parts of father and son and you’ve created Chris Paul, but alas.

This is an excellent memory.....and the image of a Hybrid Williams.....yikes. I don't remember dads wingspan...but good lord....Frankie with just DMFW wing span and shoulders..... would have been a freak.
 
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ChiefGritty

Chicago, IL
This is an excellent memory.....and the image of a Hybrid Williams.....yikes. I don't remember dads wingspan...but good lord....Frankie with just DMFW wing span and shoulders..... would have been a freak.
Well I just mean you take Frankie’s court vision and artistry and scoring ability and add Da’Monte’s grit and timing and junkyard mentality, and lets be honest a healthy bit of pure evil and that’s Chris Paul, top 20 basketball player of all time.

HRF + DMFW = OMG

(By the way the thing the two have in common is a preternatural understanding of what’s going on on the floor and sense of anticipation for what comes next. They both play a half second ahead of everybody else, just in very different ways)
 
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I would say a hesitant shooter when he has had the shot. It seems like he is back to last years form over the last 4 games
He has Plummer, Grandison, and Trent to shoot the 3 in addition to Kofi to feed. Last year we were not that dangerous as a team from 3. As long as he does enough to keep his defender honest, he is doing his job. Last year teams were sagging way off him (especially early in the year) and he took the wide open looks. Not sure they are giving him as much room this year.
 
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Hawk has a high hoops IQ, but he doesn't have all that much experience (at this level). And that includes dealing with hack refs. A darn good defensive play gets flagged as a foul far too often. After you've been burned by one phantom foul, dialing it back is the prudent move. I'm guessing Hawk will adjust.
and you won't endear yourself to the zebras if you whine after EVERY foul that is called on you.
 
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We are in agreement that diverse multidimensional offense is good.

Curbelo ball-stopping on every possession is not that, even if he’s doing it extremely well.

We over-relied on Ayo playing hero ball from time to time over his career here. Thankfully Ayo is Ayo and we got away with it quite a lot. Allowing that same drift with Curbelo would have a much less happy ending.

If the defense has to respect shooters (which, forget these hand-wavey medicalized claims excusing Curbelo’s performance this year, the ice cold shooting slump letting defenses bunker in was the real problem) and the ball moves, you can’t guard Kofi and if you can’t guard Kofi you’re in serious trouble against us.

Whatever our personnel we need to keep hammering that equation.
I 100% agree. I have been critical of Belo from day 1 regarding his overhandling. He did look to have cleaned that up a bit in his last game. He wanted to be the shot taker in the Marquette game and that bothered me more than his turnovers. Great talent but, he needs to understand the needs of other shooters and scorers. I look forward to his overcoming his present issues and hopefully he will give more respect for other Illini strengths.
 
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How many more posts do we have to read about "what Curbelo needs to do..."?
It's redundant.
Probably about as many as all of the raves about how he sees the floor. He makes a lot of desperation passes when he has penetrated too deep and jumps into the air trying to find somewhere to throw the ball.
 
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Ransom Stoddard

Ordained Dudeist Priest
Bloomington, IL
He got a competitive job offer before he could.

He went to Illinois to go to the NBA, not to get a degree. So, yes, he excelled in his major and graduated to the profession in which he was studying.
This whole thing started when someone posted that Ayo "graduated". Maybe not as egregious as calling Grandison "Granderson", but it's nice to get the facts right.
 
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I'm sure it's probably been stated earlier but where is Hutcherson ? Injury thing again ?
Thanks
 
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Maybe you skipped some pages/posts? It was a few pages back, but.....more regrettably...it's been here every year DMFW has played.

Too many people were obsessed with comparing him to his dad or not being offensively gifted. Start Tev Jones...start Alan Griffin....an on and on. Seriously.

My eyes see DMFW more confident on offense than at any point in his college career. He won't replicate last seasons 3pt%, but that is more of an outlier than an "improvement", followed by a "regression". He's not ever going to be as fluid with his dribble drives and he'll never be the finisher that his dad was...but I love to see that he's willing to go in there more this year than ever now that he's been on the ball with Curbelo out.

I love him...and I just wish more posters would have a better perspective with the player that he is...instead of wishing he was something else.

We simply don't win even half of these B1G road games over the last two years without DMFW.
Going into your old man's profession is hard enough but in the same organization? That's tough, especially for Da'Monte, who can look up and see Dad's jersey hanging in the rafters. Kudos to Monte for (1) stepping up, and (2) doing the same thing in his own way.
 
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I know its super easy to hate on Bohanan, but I'll always give him a smidge of respect for missing the FT to break Chris Street's record. Not a ton, but at least enough to recognize he's a human.
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