Houston 68, Illinois 53 Postgame

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#426      
Below D has been really good recently. He is a "magician" that just needs to learn how to control and use his talent best....BB IQ is there...just needs to temper impulsive blunders.

He can be a magician...just needs to be a "brilliant magician" and not a "mad magician"
Just needs to make the fundamentally correct play. No argument about his talent.
 
#428      
Heartbreaking to hear trent talk about the Twitter trolls. They all deserve better than the toxic posts. I hope that 99 percent of twitter posts are positive. I may have to sign up for social media to let them all know how much trent and the crew have meant to me and my family this year and over the past few years.
 
#429      
From a pub crawl in London today, I could not watch the beloved. I did follow on line, and commend these young men on what appeared to be a valiant effort.
Again, I didn’t see the game...but until fairly late it appeared we were in the hunt.
I have not seen stats, certainly have not read the post game on loyalty at this point.
What I will say is this....
This team has been frustrating at times. However, Illinois basketball is back.
Big time.
My fellow compadres and loyalists...it’s been a very good season. We have terrific young men returning, and a great class coming in.
There is no question this team was faced with adversity and worked their arses off.
I for one commend
our program, players, and coaches.
We are back baby.
I L L....
 
#430      
Lol. Have you looked at the stats? I'm guessing not because if you did you would know that DMW's ws (advanced stat : win share) is tied for 5th on the team. And his dws (defensive win share) is second on the team. Kofi is first.
The simplest stat to go by is +/- and Damonte is very rarely a + even in the games we win. In his 5th year his shooting was statistically his worst. He shot 30% from the floor, 50% on FTs and he only averaged 3.8 points in 29 minutes a game.

He’s fine against teams like penn state and Minnesota but the competition is elevated he is out of his league.

I thank him for coming to illinois and helping build the program. But that doesn’t mean I have to just blindly support him.
 
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MDchicago

Lake Norman NC
that Loyola game is arguably our worst tournament loss of all time. It’s in the team photo for sure.

I'll stand on my head on national tv if that is true! For me, it's 1987, 1st round, 3 vs. 14 loss to Austin Peay, the fourth place team from the Ohio Valley.
Trigger warning: Austin Peay 35th anniversary (video in the linked story includes the Dick Vitale footage as well as a re-creation last week by the Austin Peay player who made the game winning FTs).

Loyola loss in the second round last year was hugely disappointing as a fan (mainly due to the lost opportunity), but they were an objectively good team (top 10 Kenpom going into the tournament). Our Kenpom adjEM rating edge over Loyola was smaller than Gonzaga's KenPom adjEM rating edge over Baylor in the title game (based on pre-tournament ratings), but most folks seem to accept that Baylor was good enough to win a % of the time and they did. Don't have to be happy about it (and am not), but the same applies to Loyola. We just need to keep beating on the door, hopefully as a perennial 4 seed or better, and good things will eventually come.
 
#433      
BU has said repeatedly that he tells the guys to shoot and to continue shooting even when they're missing shots. so I really don't understand where the hesitancy to shoot has come from the last few games when we have wide open looks.
 
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JFGsCoffeeMug

BU:1 Trash cans:0
Chicago
BU has said repeatedly that he tells the guys to shoot and to continue shooting even when they're missing shots. so I really don't understand where the hesitancy to shoot has come from the last few games when we have wide open looks.
Agreed. Lack of confidence is contagious. In some ways, that's the benefit of putting freshman out there. Sometimes they don't know enough to be scared yet. In the end, I just think the injuries and lack of continuity prevented us from building any momentum. It never really came together for us. I don't blame anyone for that. It's just unfortunate all around.
 
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MDchicago

Lake Norman NC
From a pub crawl in London today, I could not watch the beloved. I did follow on line,
You are in the right place at the right time, so drink up!

Drunk Simon Pegg GIF by Working Title
 
#436      
UH defense was outstanding their length was not a good matchup for us. They forced like 8 turnovers most on inbounds passes for a total of 17 turnovers. Shooting 6/25 from three didn’t help either You aren’t going to win like that. We were not healthy at the end of season Trent’s eye Jake’s shoulder RJ surgery combined that with earlier season injuries we never gelled

I think Kofi has an interesting decision I don’t see him on a NBA roster but he has a chance to be the face of college basketball.

If I was Kofi I would turn pro. Nothing else to prove in college ball and he's got to be tired of being hammered on, usually with no call.
 
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Illini92and96

Austin, TX
As lacking in dynamism our offense has been all year, the frosh should have played a lot more and been given more of a longer leash if they made a mistake. Gonna be a bummer seeing Podz transfer out- he's gonna be really good somewhere else and I hope RJ and Goode stay. Love Frazier and will miss seeing him play for us and despite playing 4 on 5 on offense when Damonte in the game I appreciate his efforts over his career- he and Trent had the toughness lacking in others. If we have another early flameout in the NCAA next year- I think one can reasonably conclude BU is underperforming despite his Big 10 success. Who remembers Big 10 titles versus NCAA successful runs? He said we were gonna play faster this year and we didn't. However, do have to give him and the staff props for achieving what they did despite all the injuries but can't use that as an excuse in the NCAA failures. Now that we may have 3 more guards coming in next year, is Curbelo gonna stay? What is our front line gonna look like without Kofi? Lastly, we seem to universally play scared to shoot when briefly open- how many shots did Hawkins turn down but maybe did so because he's a low % 3 point shooter but he could still take the ball to the rack for shorter-range shots. I wish he was more aggressive taking the ball to the rim. Our offense seems so regimented, scripted and predictable and we make too many fundamental mistakes like inbounding the ball in the corner. Hoping the fresh next year get much more PT. I'm looking forward to Harris in particular- he's gonna be good!
You are minimizing the impact of winning the conference. Sure, we want to do well in the tourney, but a program that is routinely winning conference titles will be well regarded, have fan interest, and get recruits. Would you prefer Michigan’s season so far to ours?
 
#439      
BU has said repeatedly that he tells the guys to shoot and to continue shooting even when they're missing shots. so I really don't understand where the hesitancy to shoot has come from the last few games when we have wide open looks.
Good question, and who knows what the answer to your question is.

I will say that sometimes a player hears his coach saying "he's a good shooter, he just needs to hit them" in a counterproductive way, feels pressure I mean. Or sometimes a player hears a coach's encouragement to "get yourself going by getting some easy shots first" as criticism.

Or sometimes a coach's exasperation with missed shots -- let's say across his entire team, not just one guy -- is unfortunately heard by one particular guy as pressure to "Make a shot, dangit!!" I've heard that latter expression, or versions of it, a lot and I never think it is something a kid you want to have shoot the ball should hear.

Finally, a lot of the best in-game shot makers are kids who just don't ever give a **** what ANYBODY (coaches, team mates, dad, fans, girlfriend ...) thinks about their shot selection or how many misses they've piled up. It is weird that, from a coach's point of view, you almost need a me-first guy or two like this, a guy or two who despite substantial recent failure (say 1 for 7 in a half) is nonetheless certain his next shot is going down. That kind of belief is hard, or in my view impossible, to teach. You can stoke confidence, but in the end, blind belief in oneself arising from who knows where within is what cold-blooded shot makers just have.
 
#441      
Grateful for the good season and for all of the guys, whether they are/were here for one year or 5. Refuse to let the fact that Illini basketball is relevant again in what's been an impressive stretch over the last 3 years get lost in the sadness of the day. It does feel like the end of a cycle and next year's squad will be something else entirely to behold...

The conspiracy theorist in me (just one of several voices in this cavernous noggin of mine) is convinced that what shall forever be known as "the pink eye snake bite" came from either an Indianapolis strip club, or JBo somehow gained access to the team's hotel rooms and bare-assed farted on Trent's pillow. Retaliation for owning him so many times over the last 5 years... We'll never know the truth, but blaming such a random, terrible stroke of luck on such ludicrous speculation is cathartic in a way...

Cheers to the boys, strap in for an interesting off season and look forward to what the future holds!

:chief: I-L-L!
 
#442      
You are minimizing the impact of winning the conference. Sure, we want to do well in the tourney, but a program that is routinely winning conference titles will be well regarded, have fan interest, and get recruits. Would you prefer Michigan’s season so far to ours?
This is the key point for me. Michigan had an extremely disappointing season but are heading to the sweet 16. We are the B1G champions and lost a game earlier. I wouldn’t trade the championship for a win today.

I hope the players get over the disappointment of today quickly and feel the pride that comes with being the Champs that they are. And I hope we as fans can too.
 
#443      
... you almost need a me-first guy or two ...
This sounds like a bad team mate, which I don't mean. I just mean it seems like it is generally easier to get a player who ALWAYS thinks his shot is going in to share the ball and trust his team mates than it is to coach a highly-skilled shooter to become a cold-blooded shot maker, that is, someone able to disregard recent poor shooting.
 
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Illini92and96

Austin, TX
Getting bounced in the second round of the NCAA 2 years in a row while having first Team All Americans is not a good look for the coaching staff.
Well, 2 of the 5 this year lost in the first round, a third in the second, and 3 of the 5 lost in the second round last year. Doesn’t seem like a first team all American automatically gets you to the sweet sixteen.
 
#445      
The simplest stat to go by is +/- and Damonte is very rarely a + even in the games we win. In his 5th year his shooting was statistically his worst. He shot 30% from the floor, 50% on FTs and he only averaged 3.8 points in 29 minutes a game.

He’s fine against teams like penn state and Minnesota but the competition is elevated he is out of his league.

I thank him for coming to illinois and helping build the program. But that doesn’t mean I have to just blindly support him.
Where do you find game by game plus minus stats? Have been looking but can’t find it anywhere.
 
#446      
Im saying that if you are in game 33 and hesitating to take those shots then what has the coach been doing for the last 6 months. Kofi just didn't show up Thursday night in a the worlds largest blanket on our door step. After last offseason those shots are DAY ONE practice shots that basically a teams full of guards should be shooing in their sleep .

Did you see a team out there that looked as if they believed the coach had confidence in them offensively ? I watched nearly every tournament game and no matter the school I saw guys letting it fly with full confidence hit or miss. We shot the ball like a team whose every move gets questioned so they are looking over their shoulder for approval when those shots should be built into the offense not into whether the coach approves or not.
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Illini92and96

Austin, TX
In the tournament, yeah hard to argue. We also have 2 BIG titles (muck fichigan) and a BTT title in that time. This year I can understand with all the ridiculous injury luck (pinkeye?!?), but that Loyola game is arguably our worst tournament loss of all time. It’s in the team photo for sure.
1987 vs #14 austin peay was not worse?
 
#450      

Gunner23

Panama City, Florida
I would agree! I'm 5'10" and played point guard (not a great athlete either ;) and was the third leading rebounder on our team. It's about reading the shot, knowing where to be on the court, and timing your jump when it comes to rebounding (in addition being able to do multiple things at once - having your head on a swivel). As for defense, again, agree for the most part. The words are "discipline" and "consistency" when it comes to defense. Effort is certainly part of it, but you have to be strong mentally and know where to be on the court at all times.
These are the things that make Belo a very good rebounder for a guard his size,
 
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