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DeonThomas
One Man Fast Break said:
Underwood hasn't shown me what he can do without 1st Team All American talent on the roster to believe that Illinois will be Top 4 more often than not. It's ok to be biased but we should be able to step back and look at the situation to Illinois and how it looks objectively from a neutral perspective.
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And I sincerely hope that while he's HC in Champaign he's never, ever again in a position to show you...............
 
#202      
Battle89
sbillini said:
And even if they trying to handle it tactfully, you can't blame JW for still being a bit irked. He made him the 7th highest paid coach in the country, and we were nowhere close to being the 7th best team in the country last year. Highly doubt BU is going to from 7th to 20th+ in 1 year, so probably wouldn't hurt to take a year off from market checks.
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This.
 
#203      
Emerson Bigguns
I think in today's climate of college basketball, and they way outside money has become a big player in decisions inside an athletic department, you are going to need a bunch of people on board to really feel comfortable. AS a HC, you don't just need the backing of your AD, but you need the backing of all those who pull the NIL strings. One thing I am certain of, as a regular participant on this board, is that not everyone who follows Illini basketball is totally enthralled with BU.

If some of the big fi$h feel the same about BU as some of the commenters over the last few weeks, I could see where a guy might suddenly feel less comfortable in his "dream job". Sometimes it's not all about money. Sometimes it's about support, security, and wanting to control your own narrative. (leaving as opposed to being asked to leave)

Disclaimer: I have zero actual knowledge about what the heck is going on...
 
#205      
sacraig
Illiniam1984 said:
Interesting. :unsure: That right there should tell everybody something. I have a feeling BU may end up at K-State at some point. Just makes sense. Are you getting that impression as well?
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That would be the only logical place he could end up where he'd accept less money without getting fired by us.

But college sports aren't logical, so who knows?
 
#206      
SKane
Kansas State loves Tang for obvious reasons.

I have no idea whether Tang would leave if TX or AK made an offer.

After all, Kansas State was Tang's first major college head coaching job and he had been there only one year.

I guess that you never know - Brad left OK State after only one year.
 
#207      
Miles Leonard
Another coaching carousel thread?

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#209      
Illini92and96
altgeld88 said:
Tru dat. However, the property taxes are much higher generally, which bite back hard (in larger cities and burbs, at least). I speak from past experience. I saw an analysis 10-15 yrs ago that it was a wash compared with many states having income tax. Am interested to hear from Texans on the board what the sitch is these days.
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We paid taxes of about 2.3% of market value of the house when we moved back from Seattle in 2019. For comparison, Seattle was about 0.9% of market value when we left. Our Austin house has doubled in value since then, so we will have 10% valuation/property tax increases (the max allowed) for the foreseeable future until the value we bought it at catches up to the market. Car registrations are cheap at $80. Sales tax is 8%. Austin has gone from reasonable to rather expensive. Our $/sf is now the same as our comparable neighborhood in Seattle. Daddy Brad would be spending multiples of whatever he has now.
 
#210      
Fighter of the Nightman
Roundball Sage said:
... The State Illinois has a bit of an inferiority complex. This feeling even shows up sometimes in these pages. Not that Illinois does not have a pride and great history of its own because it does. But Texas is just supremely confident about things and Illinois sometimes struggles to feel good about itself...
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As someone who was born in Peoria but moved to Iowa City when I was 8 (and did not move back to Illinois until I moved to Chicago in 2019), yet grew up with proud of being from Illinois in a sea of people INCREDIBLY proud to be from Iowa ... I cannot tell you how disappointing it was to start meeting people who grew up in Illinois as I got older and see exactly what you just described. I effectively grew up with the outlook of an Iowan but had the outlook shifted toward pride in Illinois. :ROFLMAO: So, I'm not saying there aren't good reasons for Illinoisans' attitudes, but it took the wind out of my sails, to be sure.

I get why people would complain about or be frustrated with Illinois, but people do that everywhere (to at least some extent) and yet so many other areas of the country have an inherent pride being from somewhere because if you don't, it's kind of a "pathetic" look ... like you're not proud of yourself. It's hard to explain, but I feel like a lot of Illinoisans assume everyone else knows all of the intricacies of our state government or something like that, so they like downplay Illinois to other people as if being proud of it would be an embarrassing look and this helps them save face ... but all they do is perpetuate us as a laughing stock to other people, as most outsiders' attitudes are "Wow, not even people FROM Illinois have pride in Illinois, that's weird and sad!" And then it's a vicious circle. I cannot stand when all of the other offices of my company across the country kind of "pump up" their locations during inter-office get togethers, and my boss craps all over Illinois. It's literally embarrassing, haha.

And make no mistake! More people growing up being proud to be from the State of Illinois has a very direct and very positive effect on Illini athletics.
 
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ChiefGritty
Roundball Sage said:
People who haven’t lived in other regions of the Country don’t have a way of understanding what the prevailing vibe of a State or region is... but all regions in our Nation have them. It’s something you have to personally feel and experience to know.

Texans have a cultural legacy of pride that is difficult for those outside of Texas to understand. Going back in time... Texas was a full-on country itself. Self-governing and supremely confident. It got... ‘assimilated’ shall we say in a way that long timers still are not happy about.

But this points to the fact that there is a State and cultural pride in Texas of being a unique place with a special history that translates itself into things like the State University. For some that morphs into an arrogance that is never all that attractive. But the ‘confidence’ and the expectations that Texans have about succeeding is real and pervasive. And sometimes, refreshing.

The State Illinois has a bit of an inferiority complex. This feeling even shows up sometimes in these pages. Not that Illinois does not have a pride and great history of its own because it does. But Texas is just supremely confident about things and Illinois sometimes struggles to feel good about itself.

You have to dream big to achieve big. Whether in Texas or Illinois... this is where is all begins. And very often the results you get are what you were expecting.

Not everyone in Texas is a UT fan. In fact, large parts of the State have no use for it. But the Panhandle loves Tech and East Texas loves A & M and the Waco area loves Baylor and so on. And one thing that people will love is when Texas and A & M are back together in a conference. That is one special rivalry.

They all love competing against each other. But in the end... they are all TEXANS.
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Someone in Dallas is a Texan first and a Dallas-ian(?) second.

Not only is someone in Chicago a Chicagoan first and an Illinoisan second, someone in, like, St. Charles is a Chicagoan first and an Illinoisan second.

Different cultures.
 
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WyattEarp
ChiefGritty said:
Someone in Dallas is a Texan first and a Dallas-ian(?) second.

Not only is someone in Chicago a Chicagoan first and an Illinoisan second, someone in, like, St. Charles is a Chicagoan first and an Illinoisan second.

Different cultures.
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1.) That’s totally correct about Dallas…or Houston, Or San Antonio…or 99% of Texas. I don’t if I’d say that about Austin-Ian’s? tho…they seem quite happy to have their own identity…separate from the rest of Texas. But since they’re a: smaller city, the seat of government, and centrally located it’s harder for them to ignore the rest of Texas as it is for Chicago to ignore everything downstate.
2.) If they even know Illinois exists at all? Lol
 
#214      
Illini92and96
ChiefGritty said:
Someone in Dallas is a Texan first and a Dallas-ian(?) second.

Not only is someone in Chicago a Chicagoan first and an Illinoisan second, someone in, like, St. Charles is a Chicagoan first and an Illinoisan second.

Different cultures.
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Yup. Texan first, but one could have an affinity to a particular city or part of state.

Illinois is Chicago or corn field. Two different states of mind. Not a fair stereotype, but that's what it was when I grew up there.
 
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JJE
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Man, what a difference a day makes.
 
#219      
IlliniSaluki
After reading this thread today I think I'm glad I didn't check in yesterday. lol

Though all this talk about millennials and zoomers (I think in the illini thread) is making this GenX'r feel older than I am. ..

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#220      
Illini92and96
WyattEarp said:
1.) That’s totally correct about Dallas…or Houston, Or San Antonio…or 99% of Texas. I don’t if I’d say that about Austin-Ian’s? tho…they seem quite happy to have their own identity…separate from the rest of Texas. But since they’re a: smaller city, the seat of government, and centrally located it’s harder for them to ignore the rest of Texas as it is for Chicago to ignore everything downstate.
2.) If they even know Illinois exists at all? Lol
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Austinites don't look down on the rest of Texas in the way Chicagoans might look down on the rest of the state. We just think its the best city in the best state due to some of it's characteristics - capital city, flagship university, rolling hills and lakes, the tech scene, the music scene.
 
#222      
WyattEarp
Illini92and96 said:
Austinites don't look down on the rest of Texas in the way Chicagoans might look down on the rest of the state. We just think its the best city in the best state due to some of it's characteristics - capital city, flagship university, rolling hills and lakes, the tech scene, the music scene.
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You might be right. (Like I said…they at least know it exists…lol…so they got that going for them.)

I will say I lived there for a while and I certainly didn’t hate the rest of Texas. (I probably don’t count because I wasn’t a native Texan.) But I knew a lot of folks that professed to hate the rest…might of just been the circles I was in at the time.
 
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Fighter of the Nightman
ChiefGritty said:
Someone in Dallas is a Texan first and a Dallas-ian(?) second.

Not only is someone in Chicago a Chicagoan first and an Illinoisan second, someone in, like, St. Charles is a Chicagoan first and an Illinoisan second.

Different cultures.
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Additionally, I have come across people in various regions of Downstate identifying with their immediate areas first (Rockford, Quad Cities, Metro East) and then a literal OTHER state before Illinois (Wisconsin, Iowa, Missouri). Not ideal, but almost impossible to change.

Not that it's a perfect map by any means (there are not more Badgers fans than Gophers fans on the Minnesota campus, haha), but that NYT fan map showing college football loyalties has some directionally correct takes, and the Illinois results are concerning, if not unexpected. Whereas programs regularly nab support from other states near the border (Tennessee fans in SW Virginia, Alabama fans in extreme NW Florida, Nebraska fans in Western Iowa, etc.), Illinois is encroached on at every border. The Illinois side of the Quad Cities has more Iowa fans. Far Northern Illinois has more Wisconsin fans. Metro East has more Mizzou fans. Southern Illinois has more Kentucky fans. The SW suburbs of Chicago have more Notre Dame fans, etc., etc. Not ideal!
 
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