Illinicpa14
- Chicago
McDs all American game only has 2 big ten players (both to MSU). Doesn’t say the whole story but big ten not getting true top flight talent comparatively
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I’m all in on the look how we play in conference. Nowhere near as free flowing as ACC/SEC/Big 12. If I’m a DUDE, would I want to play that big ten style?
Really talented ballers in the portal.
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for a big athletic rim protector and definitely 1 pt. Guard, might need 2.I don’t know as if I buy the BIG underachieving due to a talent deficit.
First, if by talent you mean nba talent, I’m not sure that means anything like it did 30-40 years ago when kids stayed in college and you had teams with 2+ NBA all stars playing together multiple years. SDSU, UCONN, Creighton, FAU etc aren’t stocked with lottery picks. It’s mostly 3/4/5 year guys.
And as far as talented college players, last year the BIG had Ivey, Keegan Murray, Johnny Davis, all lottery picks. OSU had 2 first rounders. And of course a first team AA with Kofi. And even this year in a “down” BIG, TJD and Pickett were AAs, Kris Murray was close to AA if he didn’t make it, and Edey is probably NPOY. Think there’s plenty of talent in the BIG
This year I’m not sure is a great one for arguing the BIG underachieves. Yes there was the Purdue embarrassment but otherwise there were a bunch of teams in the 7-10 range which is an uphill battle to get to the S16. And NW/PSU game higher seeds all they wanted.
But what seems to be a common theme amongst BIG flameouts early is real clunkers shooting. So is that tired legs from a grueling 20 game slate? Other leagues have 20 game schedules and it doesn’t seem to be a problem. Could it be as simple as the ball? Would it be possible to try and replicate the specs the NCAAT Uses for a ball for conference play?
I think the last few years have shown there’s no one way to build a team to make a deep run. Seems like teams that make runs are generally older but those rosters can be constructed organically or via the portal or some combination, A team full of lottery pick one n dones can also make a run but that seems less frequent in this era.
Overall I think these last couple of years have just been an aberration and we will see at least one team make the F4 within the next 2 years.
First, if by talent you mean nba talent, I’m not sure that means anything like it did 30-40 years ago when kids stayed in college and you had teams with 2+ NBA all stars playing together multiple years. SDSU, UCONN, Creighton, FAU etc aren’t stocked with lottery picks. It’s mostly 3/4/5 year guys.
And as far as talented college players, last year the BIG had Ivey, Keegan Murray, Johnny Davis, all lottery picks. OSU had 2 first rounders. And of course a first team AA with Kofi. And even this year in a “down” BIG, TJD and Pickett were AAs, Kris Murray was close to AA if he didn’t make it, and Edey is probably NPOY. Think there’s plenty of talent in the BIG
This year I’m not sure is a great one for arguing the BIG underachieves. Yes there was the Purdue embarrassment but otherwise there were a bunch of teams in the 7-10 range which is an uphill battle to get to the S16. And NW/PSU game higher seeds all they wanted.
But what seems to be a common theme amongst BIG flameouts early is real clunkers shooting. So is that tired legs from a grueling 20 game slate? Other leagues have 20 game schedules and it doesn’t seem to be a problem. Could it be as simple as the ball? Would it be possible to try and replicate the specs the NCAAT Uses for a ball for conference play?
I think the last few years have shown there’s no one way to build a team to make a deep run. Seems like teams that make runs are generally older but those rosters can be constructed organically or via the portal or some combination, A team full of lottery pick one n dones can also make a run but that seems less frequent in this era.
Overall I think these last couple of years have just been an aberration and we will see at least one team make the F4 within the next 2 years.
The Big 10 has 4 (Sensabaugh, Schifino, Murray, Howard) of the top 20 draft prospects. Only the SEC has more at 5 (Miller, Black, Wallace, Smith, Philips). The ACC has 0 and the Big 12 has 2 (Dick, George). So I think the Big 10 is doing just fine on talent. The SEC and Big 10 are going to own the top talent over the next 5 or so years with their media deals
I think the B1G needs to have a serious post mortem and ask itself why it’s teams have flamed out so spectacularly in recent years. It could be a coincidence or it could be that there’s a root cause. But it shouldn’t be something where the conference says “we’re the Big Ten… we’ll be fine.”
Speaking strictly from an Illinois standpoint, the last two years we’ve been besieged by injuries. Last year, I believe, is directly related to why we limped out of the postseason. This year, while it factored into certain individual games, our general overall lack of team cohesiveness was our easily foreseen undoing. But does the physical style of play overall in the league lead to a weaker overall tournament experience? Or are other leagues just as worn down by the time March rolls around? I only have suspicions but no concrete answers.
Speaking strictly from an Illinois standpoint, the last two years we’ve been besieged by injuries. Last year, I believe, is directly related to why we limped out of the postseason. This year, while it factored into certain individual games, our general overall lack of team cohesiveness was our easily foreseen undoing. But does the physical style of play overall in the league lead to a weaker overall tournament experience? Or are other leagues just as worn down by the time March rolls around? I only have suspicions but no concrete answers.
Mr. Tibbs
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we just weren’t that good this year , and from what I saw , no one else in the B1G was that good either . Purdue played very poor-average the last month of the season . no one else was any good either . just a down year .
that said , it’s been a down couple years .
maybe there are identifiable reasons .
that said , it’s been a down couple years .
maybe there are identifiable reasons .
I think we should reduce conference games and emphasize trying to schedule more sec acc and big 12 teams so it won’t be a shock to the style to see them in the tournament. The guys in those leagues are literally built different than ours and move different than ours.
Mr. Tibbs
- southeast DuPage
good luck trying to sell that to Fox and the others who just contacted with us for X many games they can put on TV from Dec- March
Illinicpa14
- Chicago
Is there a reason that the conference season has always been Jan-March?
Feel like all the leagues would benefit from having 1 league game a week and 1 other game a week the entire season. Not just 15 straight games against the league to end the season. I don’t follow soccer but doesn’t that follow a similar format at times of year between your league and some of the special champions type leagues?
That would be interesting but I think most teams like the cupcakes early to work on some things
Fighter of the Nightman
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Aren’t they also in bed with the Big XII? A challenge to replace the Big Ten/ACC Challenge seems like a no-brainer.
Illinicpa14
- Chicago
I agree without a huge shift/TV item it won’t happen
Fox also has the Big East which has the Gavitt games
I wonder if the 2005 team doesn't offer a clue. They had a nice amount of talent but what really set them apart is that they were in lockstep both offensively and defensively. This year's team was severely lacking in that department, and didn't have a dominating floor general. Getting an experienced point guard who keeps everyone in line has got to take preference, even over getting a great shooter.
We had one game mid season (I can’t remember which one) that we were head faking, passing, skip passes, etc that reminded me of the ‘05 team. Passing up contested shots for better shots. Of course we won. Appeared to be trusting each other. That lasted one game and back to every man for themselves.
We are spending a lot of time talking about the SEC/Big12/ACC and ignoring the Big East and how good of a conference they are. This year, they had 2 VERY good elite eight teams and all their teams that made the tournament were dangerous. It probably won’t slow down soon either with Rick Pitino joining the conference.
I hate when you do this!!!! LOL. The anticipation is killing me. But I trust your knowledge
Is this about a possible transfer in/recruit, or in regards to someone staying that we are originally thinking is gone via portal/draft?
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I would imagine we won’t find out about the draft guys until after the Combine/NBA workouts
skyIdub
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Is this the one? I remember interest last year
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