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WeWillWhen

WeWillWhen
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TriangleIL said:
Everything is fine, good night.
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illini80

illini80
Forgottonia
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IMPE Legend said:
I think the answer is likely multi-year contracts. There is a reason the NBA(and all pro teams) don't typically sign people to one year deals, especially young developing players with believed potential. You don't want to put the work in just to see them go elsewhere. It wastes your time as an organization, it wastes your money, and it hurts the overall product for the consumer(i.e the fans). If fans can no longer root for particular players with any belief that they will be back then they will not be as attached to the teams. Less fanatic fans buy less product. (Who wants to buy some slightly used Clark and Epps jerseys? I'm sure they are easy to find.)Organizations make less money and players NIL starts diminishing. Everyone loses outside of a very few programs that will have donors continue to toss their money away. But the real money is in tv deals...and when the product loses interest with those it once drew in those deals will also go down.

The NCAA by turning itself into an academic G-League might wind up with the same viewership down the road...without the NBA subsidizing them. The problem is these impacts won't happen for a few more years when it might be too late.

But we are just a couple years in to this and I'm already starting to care less. That's not a great sign for the common fan as Illinois Basketball has been (sadly) important to me over several decades.
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That’s where I’m at. I’m still going to follow along but I won’t be quite as emotionally invested. That’s probably a plus for my health. Lol

Regarding the contact, I think the idea is good, but who would the contract be with? The schools aren’t the ones paying the real money and they can’t unless the rules change. There has to be a better system that benefits they players but protects them and the schools. JMO!!!
 
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pruman91

pruman91
Paducah, Ky
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The Sprouting Divot said:
As a fellow cynically rotten fart, I'd also point out that the general "grass isn't always greener" lesson is likely to be especially difficult for P5-level athletes - many of whom believe that they will buck the odds and make it to the NBA because in their minds, they're different than all of the many others who came before them but did not make it for whatever reason.

The same "yeah, but I'm me" cognitive bias will likely continue to fuel potentially unrealistic expectations about new levels of success following a change of scenery.
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They have been hearing how great they are since the toddler stage so I'm of the belief this trend will continue until some restraint's are implemented.........what those restraint's could be is beyond my old stinky fart cognitive thought process...It really really is....
 
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Fighter of the Nightman

Fighter of the Nightman
Chicago, IL
Fighter of the Nightman
I personally would not blame RJ one bit for transferring if we were actively recruiting someone who might take his playing time. I would argue he's proven his abilities, and he was only a sophomore last year; he needs the opportunity to be a starter and get into a real groove and make the jump to a consistently great player. Additionally, we are not really lacking at his specific skillset ... we need a sharp-shooting 3-point specialist, a true PG and a big. I'd be disappointed if RJ had any reason to feel like we were "recruiting over him" (arguably for the second straight year). You can argue all you want about how competition is good, but it should not be easy to see why that would get to the kid, especially after his confidence issues in the middle of this season.

I hope he stays almost as much as CoHawk and TSJ!
 
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Kilgore Trout

Kilgore Trout
Driftless Region
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One of the reasons I have loved college basketball has been being able to watch freshman come in to the Illini and mature and improve each year. Living in Wisconsin, most of my buddies are Badger fans, so I probably watch and follow them second to the Illini. I am not a stats guy nor I claim any great knowledge but it seems like to me that, over the years Wisconsin, has done a very good job taking kids who come in as "not stars" and developing them into some pretty excellent upper classmen. Again - before you attack me with precise stats, etc - that is just my perception as a viewer.
 
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dbeverly26

dbeverly26
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IMPE Legend said:
I think the answer is likely multi-year contracts. There is a reason the NBA(and all pro teams) don't typically sign people to one year deals, especially young developing players with believed potential. You don't want to put the work in just to see them go elsewhere. It wastes your time as an organization, it wastes your money, and it hurts the overall product for the consumer(i.e the fans).
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The reason why the NBA and other pro leagues (aside from the NFL, maybe) don't sign young players to one-year contracts is because they have collective bargaining agreements in place with the players' unions that, along with the draft, allow them to lock in young players for well below market value for several years.

By restricting player movement, the NCAA had a version of this in place for a very long time. If pro players were free agents from day one, you'd see a trend very much like what we are seeing in the NCAA right now. I feel differently about this than a lot of folks do and generally support the rights of players to get the best available deal, but regardless the NCAA's failure to protect itself in this situation is pretty stunning compared to the overall landscape of big money sports.
 
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One Man Fast Break

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Top recruits are just going to push for the highest guarantees in their NIL deals, and as long as they have leverage (and they do) they will get it. This trickles all the way down the line (they can't get pull as much as the five star guys, but they'll pull what they can).

My biggest issue is that NIL is completely unregulated, it's the wild, wild west.
 
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Ransom Stoddard

Ransom Stoddard
Ordained Dudeist Priest
Bloomington, IL
Ransom Stoddard
pruman91 said:
They have been hearing how great they are since the toddler stage so I'm of the belief this trend will continue until some restraint's are implemented.........what those restraint's could be is beyond my old stinky fart cognitive thought process...It really really is....
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Your farts have cognitive thought processes? You become infinitely more fascinating with each passing week.

<passing> see what I did there?
 
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Homecoming 2019

Homecoming 2019
Chicago
Homecoming 2019
Fighter of the Nightman said:
I personally would not blame RJ one bit for transferring if we were actively recruiting someone who might take his playing time. I would argue he's proven his abilities, and he was only a sophomore last year; he needs the opportunity to be a starter and get into a real groove and make the jump to a consistently great player. Additionally, we are not really lacking at his specific skillset ... we need a sharp-shooting 3-point specialist, a true PG and a big. I'd be disappointed if RJ had any reason to feel like we were "recruiting over him" (arguably for the second straight year). You can argue all you want about how competition is good, but it should not be easy to see why that would get to the kid, especially after his confidence issues in the middle of this season.

I hope he stays almost as much as CoHawk and TSJ!
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Chances he saw what Podz did and wants to do something similar? Probably high
 
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Roundball Sage

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State of Chicago said:
How much of his struggles this year were due to his shoulder injury? I fully expect him to shoot 40% from 3 somewhere else next year. Oh well, next man up.
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Injury no doubt played into some of his struggles. But the same can be said about Curbelo’s time with the Illini.

It’s frustrating both for player and fan (and coach) when a player with great promise has something happen to throw road blocks into a nice progression and growth of talent and ability.

Depending on the type of injury of course... some guys are able to recover from ailments quickly and others have struggles that linger. And some of the best stories are when a guy who has been struggling finds the magic again and gets his rhythm and mojo back on the court.

In some ways... the Illini as a team are in a recovery mode in this off-season. Assessing what went right and what went wrong. And why.
 
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EyeoftheIllini

EyeoftheIllini
EyeoftheIllini
IlliniCub 16 said:
I think the extra COVID year has just added to the transfer portal craziness because there are now more college basketball players with extra eligibility than ever before.

Players who are in Coleman Hawkins' class were freshman when the extra year was awarded, so there are two years left of extra COVID year eligible athletes. After that it will hopefully slow down a little, including for reasons like you mentioned about the grass not always being greener.
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I was just saying this to a friend of mine. I think that will have a fairly large impact. Just too many players in the “system.” Combine that with NIL and you have the perfect storm.
 
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Fighter of the Nightman

Fighter of the Nightman
Chicago, IL
Fighter of the Nightman
Kilgore Trout said:
One of the reasons I have loved college basketball has been being able to watch freshman come in to the Illini and mature and improve each year. Living in Wisconsin, most of my buddies are Badger fans, so I probably watch and follow them second to the Illini. I am not a stats guy nor I claim any great knowledge but it seems like to me that, over the years Wisconsin, has done a very good job taking kids who come in as "not stars" and developing them into some pretty excellent upper classmen. Again - before you attack me with precise stats, etc - that is just my perception as a viewer.
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It is absolutely my perception, as well. However, I remember seeing it laid out in "stats form" ;) one time, and the conclusion was that Bo Ryan actually recruited QUITE well. Either way, he recruited TO his system, and he surrounded the highly ranked individuals with support pieces that fit perfectly.
 
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