Illinois Football Recruiting Thread

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#203      
WeWillWhen
Recruiting rankings of our most recent NFL draft picks:

Witherspoon (zero stars)
Martin ⭐️⭐️⭐️84
S. Brown ⭐️⭐️⭐️84
C. Brown⭐️⭐️⭐️84
Newton ⭐️⭐️⭐️ 86
Reiman (zero stars)
Adams⭐️⭐️⭐️84
Washington ⭐️⭐️⭐️83

My conclusions:
(1) rankings are questionable, or
(2) Bret’s staff is pretty good at development, or
(3) a little of both
 
#204      
Dbell1981
WeWillWhen said:
Recruiting rankings of our most recent NFL draft picks:

Witherspoon (zero stars)
Martin ⭐️⭐️⭐️84
S. Brown ⭐️⭐️⭐️84
C. Brown⭐️⭐️⭐️84
Newton ⭐️⭐️⭐️ 86
Reiman (zero stars)
Adams⭐️⭐️⭐️84
Washington ⭐️⭐️⭐️83

My conclusions:
(1) rankings are questionable, or
(2) Bret’s staff is pretty good at development, or
(3) a little of both
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Seems like a lot of people forget that these young men are still in the developmental stages of the game. College is where they start separating the men from the boys. Not high school.
 
#205      
Simeon Rice
WeWillWhen said:
Recruiting rankings of our most recent NFL draft picks:

Witherspoon (zero stars)
Martin ⭐️⭐️⭐️84
S. Brown ⭐️⭐️⭐️84
C. Brown⭐️⭐️⭐️84
Newton ⭐️⭐️⭐️ 86
Reiman (zero stars)
Adams⭐️⭐️⭐️84
Washington ⭐️⭐️⭐️83

My conclusions:
(1) rankings are questionable, or
(2) Bret’s staff is pretty good at development, or
(3) a little of both
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Eh, I think you can make a case for there being some diamonds in the rough towards the back end of the rankings, but if both the draft and game results show us anything, it's that 4-5* players are typically highly correlated with good performance on the field
 
#206      
ChiefGritty
WeWillWhen said:
Recruiting rankings of our most recent NFL draft picks:

Witherspoon (zero stars)
Martin ⭐️⭐️⭐️84
S. Brown ⭐️⭐️⭐️84
C. Brown⭐️⭐️⭐️84
Newton ⭐️⭐️⭐️ 86
Reiman (zero stars)
Adams⭐️⭐️⭐️84
Washington ⭐️⭐️⭐️83

My conclusions:
(1) rankings are questionable, or
(2) Bret’s staff is pretty good at development, or
(3) a little of both
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Without getting into any broader narrative conclusions, I feel like you have to mention the Lovie admin's scouting, especially defensively.

One would have hoped Lovie Smith would have had a keen eye for the traits that make for NFL defenders, and he did, despite the myriad other problems.
 
#207      
Ander1345
WeWillWhen said:
Recruiting rankings of our most recent NFL draft picks:

Witherspoon (zero stars)
Martin ⭐️⭐️⭐️84
S. Brown ⭐️⭐️⭐️84
C. Brown⭐️⭐️⭐️84
Newton ⭐️⭐️⭐️ 86
Reiman (zero stars)
Adams⭐️⭐️⭐️84
Washington ⭐️⭐️⭐️83

My conclusions:
(1) rankings are questionable, or
(2) Bret’s staff is pretty good at development, or
(3) a little of both
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Stars are also take popularity into account somewhat. Witherspoon unrated because he really didn't play much football in high school, he obviously would have been rated pretty highly if more scouts and analysts had been in on him. This is why Bret's said multiple times in previous dressers that they have guys wait on committing sometimes and why it's such an arms race in recruiting.

Once that guy announces they get a lot of eyes on them, and in an NIL world that means you could be setting yourself up to get a recruit poached. The problem is that you have to not only outbid in the recruitment process, but also outbid in the *retaining* process.

Both Reiman and Witherspoon would have been rated higher if there was more eyes on them coming out of high school. Witherspoon for obvious reasons but Reiman because he is so gifted physically.
 
#214      
IlliniUnited
Joel Goodson said:
yeah, imagine a HS kid, particularly from a good academic school, choosing Stanford

we never get Naz players until we do. gotta shoot our shot (same holds for everywhere)

sure, it's frustrating. but some are not factoring in the abyss we're climbing out of
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Naz is middle of the pack academically. Clearly behind the Catholic options like Fenwick, Benet and St Ignatius
 
#217      
OskieWowWow
illinidarrin said:
Hmm, was this a tempering issue or something more going on?
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Probably on the fence about coming here in the first place and didn't enjoy spring ball. Happens to college kids all the time. Not going to read too much into this. Would rather lose someone who doesn't want to be here instead of holding the scholarship for the year and then losing him to the portal
 
#222      
FloridaMan
From an outside perspective (not knowing anything about all these transfers) this is looking real bad. Hopefully the staff can get it together.
 
#224      
TheodoreRex
Well this is a disaster, no other way to spin it. How on earth could this kid already lose interest in wanting to be here?
 
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