Northwestern game at Wrigley Field (Nov. 30th): 11:00am CT, BTN

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@Dan, feel free to move/delete, of course ... but shouldn't we be getting a game time for this one today?? Anyway, I hope we have a great turnout from Illini fans. I would like to think a victory at Rutgers could push attendance over the top for a nice crowd. I believe Wrigley seats around 40,000 for football, so our game vs. NU in 2010 remains the only true sellout from their series of games there (and yes, they have lost all four!).

41,058 vs. Illinois in 2010
31,500 vs. Purdue in 2021
38,000 vs. Iowa in 2023
38,147 vs. Ohio State in 2024

Let's hope we get a big crowd, an orange crowd and a win!
 
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While Northwestern isn't a compelling team to watch, Illinois will be playing for bowl positioning in a historic and unique venue for football. Surprised it dropped to BTN. Or did BTN get to pick sooner in the order?
 
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While Northwestern isn't a compelling team to watch, Illinois will be playing for bowl positioning in a historic and unique venue for football. Surprised it dropped to BTN. Or did BTN get to pick sooner in the order?
Even if they did, I would imagine they would have certainly made it 2:30 pm ... any game at 11:00 am on this date is playing in the black hole that competes with Ohio State/Michigan on FOX. I am actually genuinely shocked this is not at least at 2:30 pm on BTN/FS1 ... I'd argue it's more interesting for several reasons than games like Michigan State/Rutgers if for NO other reason than the Wrigley setup. Clearly the Big Ten disagrees, as they have placed both of NU's games at Wrigley (including vs. OSU last week) at 11:00 am on BTN to sit alongside Big Noon Kickoff, lol.
 
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While Northwestern isn't a compelling team to watch, Illinois will be playing for bowl positioning in a historic and unique venue for football. Surprised it dropped to BTN. Or did BTN get to pick sooner in the order?
I am not surprised at all. There are potentially five games with B1G teams that will have huge ramifications on the CFP: (OSU/Mich, IU/Purdue, PSU/MD, ORE/WASH, and USC/ND). I do wonder if BTN had higher pecking order than FS1 (since FS1 has the Rutgers/MSU game).
 
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^ Thanks, lightning speed! And that is a bit of a bummer ... was hoping they'd do us the courtesy of at least a 2:30 pm game time so people could enjoy Wrigleyville a bit more. :(
Also not a fan of the 11 AM game at Wrigley, but to be honest I can kind of see the logic here. If I'm objectively looking at games and TV slots, here are the likely games that would be higher up the selection ladder (I looked for a full TV schedule, but didn't see one yet).

November 30 games only, so excluding Nebraska-Iowa and Minnesota-Wisconsin. I'm also placing the games where I'm thinking as a TV exec and not an Illinois fan

Michigan-Ohio State (Obviously the 11 AM Big Noon game)
Notre Dame-USC (has to be the NBC primetime game with the ND connection and two national fan bases)
Washington-Oregon (2:30 CT CBS)

So that leaves the following games

Fresno State at UCLA
Illinois vs. Northwestern
Maryland at Penn State
Purdue at Indiana
Rutgers at Michigan State

Illinois-Northwestern will obviously have a big number in Chicago, but where else? The other games except for Fresno-UCLA either have some big TV markets or some interesting storylines/CFP implications (like Indiana and Penn State). And that's even before looking at some other Fox affiliated conferences with important games like Kansas State-Iowa State.

If I'm a TV exec, I'm probably putting Northwestern-Illinois on BTN as well. I'm guessing Rutgers-Michigan State will be a game either at 2:30 on BTN or in that mid-afternoon Fox slot.
 
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^ FTR, I do not disagree with the channel ... I was pretty resigned to BTN or FS1 (or even Peacock). However, given the Wrigley aspect, I DID think we'd be gifted a later start time, if for no other reason than being able to show some footage of a more packed Wrigleyville and a more packed crowd (that had a bit longer to enjoy themselves at the local bars!).
 
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^ FTR, I do not disagree with the channel ... I was pretty resigned to BTN or FS1 (or even Peacock). However, given the Wrigley aspect, I DID think we'd be gifted a later start time, if for no other reason than being able to show some footage of a more packed Wrigleyville and a more packed crowd (that had a bit longer to enjoy themselves at the local bars!).
I hear you, but I also think the nature of the game was the deciding factor for the 11 AM start. I think we will see Purdue-Indiana on the 2:30 BTN game. It just has more importance with the CFP implications.
 
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Friday, Nov. 29
11 a.m. CT
Minnesota at Wisconsin – CBS (previously announced)

6:30 p.m. CT
Nebraska at Iowa – NBC (previously announced)

Saturday, Nov. 30
11 a.m. CT
Michigan at Ohio State – FOX (previously announced)
Illinois at Northwestern – BTN (game at Wrigley Field)

2:30 p.m. CT
Maryland at Penn State – BTN
Fresno State at UCLA – BTN
Rutgers at Michigan State – FS1

Games Held for Six-Day Selection Process
Purdue at Indiana – 3:30pm ET/12:30pm PT or 7pm ET/4pm PT or 7:30pm ET/4:30pm PT (Network TBD)
Washington at Oregon – 3:30pm ET/12:30pm PT or 7pm ET/4pm PT or 7:30pm ET/4:30pm PT (Network TBD)
Notre Dame at USC – 3:30pm ET/12:30pm PT or 7pm ET/4pm PT or 7:30pm ET/4:30pm PT (Network TBD)

 
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I like the idea of permanently moving this game to Chicago. Win-win for everyone involved. Just really hate how we have a half empty stadium on rivalry week when Minnesota/Wisconsin and Nebraska/Iowa are packed

- Game in Chicago should generate more money/better attendance
- Students home over Thanksgiving can go with their families
- Continue strengthening relationship/presence with Chicagoland
- Season ticket holder priority/first right of refusal
 
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I like the idea of permanently moving this game to Chicago. Win-win for everyone involved.

Everyone? Hardly.
 
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I like the idea of permanently moving this game to Chicago. Win-win for everyone involved.

Everyone? Hardly.
Obviously, any situation is going to have pros and cons ... surely we have seen decades' worth of evidence that hosting NU in Champaign on Thanksgiving weekend has serious drawbacks, including embarrassingly small crowds and Illini fans rarely looking forward to a weekend that is an event for most fan bases), but I am sure there were fans upset about moving the Mizzou basketball rivalry to St. Louis at one time. It's only now that it has become a true event with decades of tradition behind it and an atmosphere that is unrivaled that it is "entrenched" and people don't complain about it.

I respect that the 20k people who always show up for that last home game (especially those who spend Thanksgiving in the CU area) would not like this ... and they have every right to oppose it. However, IF you look at this through the vacuum of trying to do anything possible to give this rather lame and emotionless rivalry some sort of badly needed spice, the answer seems to certainly be to move it to Chicago. JMO, of course, but Champaign and Evanston have proven over and over again that they won't show up to this specific game on this specific Saturday. Hell, we were playing to clinch a Big Ten title and BCS Bowl berth in 2001, and the game drew poorly. It just is what it is, IMO. There are too many factors going against it:

1. Illinois has a disproportionate share of its students multiple hours away for this weekend. A Michigan student home for Thanksgiving in the Detroit suburbs can EASILY get back on the Saturday for the OSU game, and there are way more Iowa students that simply live in Iowa City, Cedar Rapids, the Quad Cities or some other area where they can easily get back for the Nebraska game. Illinois has far too many students who will always be 2.5+ hours away in Chicagoland or somewhere else.
2. To a lesser extent, I bet a lot more people in Champaign travel up to Chicagoland for Thanksgiving than one might expect. Just anecdotal here.
3. Northwestern's total lack of a fan base outside of alumni and/or Evanston residents prohibits them from ever pulling their weight here.
4. The literal matchup itself just does not get either fan base's emotions too high. There just is not the instate hate that you need. Thus, SOME sort of "event" component (call it a gimmick if you take a more cynical outlook) might be needed to make it more appealing.

With that said, there are only two ways you can ever get it to work in Chicago:

1. Simply make it a Wrigley thing. While the weather will still be a roadblock, there are WAY more people who'd suck it up for some pre- and postgame bar hopping in Wrigleyville and the iconic setting of that venue than there ever would be going to Soldier Field (while it is still outdoors).
2. Playing it at a new domed Bears stadium. If the Bears build the new domed stadium on the Lakefront, I think we jump all over that. Even if we only draw about 35k or so on our end and NU brings 10k, it would be a far superior atmosphere to either team's stadium. I think given a warm weather setting like this right downtown could genuinely become a bit of a family tradition that Illini/NU families in Chicago make more of a habit out of attending. Combine it with some Christmas shopping the day before and a weekend in the city, no one is worried about the bad weather and you have a new state-of-the-art facility.

Doing either of those two at least allows this game to take on more of a meaningful "vibe" than simply Northwestern vs. Illinois in a home-and-home football series. It becomes a very clear "Chicago EVENT" that has the chance to be something truly unique and special if/when both teams are good. Again, I think the argument against moving this game would have more legs if anyone in Champaign ever showed up ... it's just an awful weekend for this.
 
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Obviously, any situation is going to have pros and cons ... surely we have seen decades' worth of evidence that hosting NU in Champaign on Thanksgiving weekend has serious drawbacks, including embarrassingly small crowds and Illini fans rarely looking forward to a weekend that is an event for most fan bases), but I am sure there were fans upset about moving the Mizzou basketball rivalry to St. Louis at one time. It's only now that it has become a true event with decades of tradition behind it and an atmosphere that is unrivaled that it is "entrenched" and people don't complain about it.

I respect that the 20k people who always show up for that last home game (especially those who spend Thanksgiving in the CU area) would not like this ... and they have every right to oppose it. However, IF you look at this through the vacuum of trying to do anything possible to give this rather lame and emotionless rivalry some sort of badly needed spice, the answer seems to certainly be to move it to Chicago. JMO, of course, but Champaign and Evanston have proven over and over again that they won't show up to this specific game on this specific Saturday. Hell, we were playing to clinch a Big Ten title and BCS Bowl berth in 2001, and the game drew poorly. It just is what it is, IMO. There are too many factors going against it:

1. Illinois has a disproportionate share of its students multiple hours away for this weekend. A Michigan student home for Thanksgiving in the Detroit suburbs can EASILY get back on the Saturday for the OSU game, and there are way more Iowa students that simply live in Iowa City, Cedar Rapids, the Quad Cities or some other area where they can easily get back for the Nebraska game. Illinois has far too many students who will always be 2.5+ hours away in Chicagoland or somewhere else.
2. To a lesser extent, I bet a lot more people in Champaign travel up to Chicagoland for Thanksgiving than one might expect. Just anecdotal here.
3. Northwestern's total lack of a fan base outside of alumni and/or Evanston residents prohibits them from ever pulling their weight here.
4. The literal matchup itself just does not get either fan base's emotions too high. There just is not the instate hate that you need. Thus, SOME sort of "event" component (call it a gimmick if you take a more cynical outlook) might be needed to make it more appealing.

With that said, there are only two ways you can ever get it to work in Chicago:

1. Simply make it a Wrigley thing. While the weather will still be a roadblock, there are WAY more people who'd suck it up for some pre- and postgame bar hopping in Wrigleyville and the iconic setting of that venue than there ever would be going to Soldier Field (while it is still outdoors).
2. Playing it at a new domed Bears stadium. If the Bears build the new domed stadium on the Lakefront, I think we jump all over that. Even if we only draw about 35k or so on our end and NU brings 10k, it would be a far superior atmosphere to either team's stadium. I think given a warm weather setting like this right downtown could genuinely become a bit of a family tradition that Illini/NU families in Chicago make more of a habit out of attending. Combine it with some Christmas shopping the day before and a weekend in the city, no one is worried about the bad weather and you have a new state-of-the-art facility.

Doing either of those two at least allows this game to take on more of a meaningful "vibe" than simply Northwestern vs. Illinois in a home-and-home football series. It becomes a very clear "Chicago EVENT" that has the chance to be something truly unique and special if/when both teams are good. Again, I think the argument against moving this game would have more legs if anyone in Champaign ever showed up ... it's just an awful weekend for this.
Obviously, any situation is going to have pros and cons ... surely we have seen decades' worth of evidence that hosting NU in Champaign on Thanksgiving weekend has serious drawbacks, including embarrassingly small crowds and Illini fans rarely looking forward to a weekend that is an event for most fan bases), but I am sure there were fans upset about moving the Mizzou basketball rivalry to St. Louis at one time. It's only now that it has become a true event with decades of tradition behind it and an atmosphere that is unrivaled that it is "entrenched" and people don't complain about it.

I respect that the 20k people who always show up for that last home game (especially those who spend Thanksgiving in the CU area) would not like this ... and they have every right to oppose it. However, IF you look at this through the vacuum of trying to do anything possible to give this rather lame and emotionless rivalry some sort of badly needed spice, the answer seems to certainly be to move it to Chicago. JMO, of course, but Champaign and Evanston have proven over and over again that they won't show up to this specific game on this specific Saturday. Hell, we were playing to clinch a Big Ten title and BCS Bowl berth in 2001, and the game drew poorly. It just is what it is, IMO. There are too many factors going against it:

1. Illinois has a disproportionate share of its students multiple hours away for this weekend. A Michigan student home for Thanksgiving in the Detroit suburbs can EASILY get back on the Saturday for the OSU game, and there are way more Iowa students that simply live in Iowa City, Cedar Rapids, the Quad Cities or some other area where they can easily get back for the Nebraska game. Illinois has far too many students who will always be 2.5+ hours away in Chicagoland or somewhere else.
2. To a lesser extent, I bet a lot more people in Champaign travel up to Chicagoland for Thanksgiving than one might expect. Just anecdotal here.
3. Northwestern's total lack of a fan base outside of alumni and/or Evanston residents prohibits them from ever pulling their weight here.
4. The literal matchup itself just does not get either fan base's emotions too high. There just is not the instate hate that you need. Thus, SOME sort of "event" component (call it a gimmick if you take a more cynical outlook) might be needed to make it more appealing.

With that said, there are only two ways you can ever get it to work in Chicago:

1. Simply make it a Wrigley thing. While the weather will still be a roadblock, there are WAY more people who'd suck it up for some pre- and postgame bar hopping in Wrigleyville and the iconic setting of that venue than there ever would be going to Soldier Field (while it is still outdoors).
2. Playing it at a new domed Bears stadium. If the Bears build the new domed stadium on the Lakefront, I think we jump all over that. Even if we only draw about 35k or so on our end and NU brings 10k, it would be a far superior atmosphere to either team's stadium. I think given a warm weather setting like this right downtown could genuinely become a bit of a family tradition that Illini/NU families in Chicago make more of a habit out of attending. Combine it with some Christmas shopping the day before and a weekend in the city, no one is worried about the bad weather and you have a new state-of-the-art facility.

Doing either of those two at least allows this game to take on more of a meaningful "vibe" than simply Northwestern vs. Illinois in a home-and-home football series. It becomes a very clear "Chicago EVENT" that has the chance to be something truly unique and special if/when both teams are good. Again, I think the argument against moving this game would have more legs if anyone in Champaign ever showed up ... it's just an awful weekend for this.
Not EVERYONE wins by a move to Chicago. Season ticket holders do not win, particularly those spending $60k/yr. for a suite. These season ticket holders, by the way, are being asked to up their I FUND contributions significantly starting next year. Six of the bigger weekends for local hotels and other hospitality businesses occur on football weekends. They too are asked to contribute financially every year. There are hundreds of locals who work the game each Saturday (Friday, Thursday). Not-for-profit groups staff the concession stands.

Attendance at most recent games played in Chicago area:
2022 - 25,744
2020 - 0 COVID
2018 - 37,124
2016- 30,022
2015 - 33,514 Soldier Field
2014 - 31,137
2012 - 32,415
2010 - 41,058 Wrigley

2001 game at Memorial Stadium drew 45,755 by the way.

I don't know if a move to Chicago would be a net positive. I do know that it is not true that such a move is a win-win for everyone involved.
 
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I like the idea of permanently moving this game to Chicago. Win-win for everyone involved. Just really hate how we have a half empty stadium on rivalry week when Minnesota/Wisconsin and Nebraska/Iowa are packed

- Game in Chicago should generate more money/better attendance
- Students home over Thanksgiving can go with their families
- Continue strengthening relationship/presence with Chicagoland
- Season ticket holder priority/first right of refusal
Completely agree. I actually love the idea of it always being at Wrigley. "Classic" venu, never have to worry about Bears schedule, would be a fun tradition for a less than remarkable B1G rivalry game.

Could probably make some sort of 1/3, 1/3, and 1/3 revenue split to make sure it is locked in every year between Illinois, Northwestern, and Wrigley.
 
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Obviously, any situation is going to have pros and cons ... surely we have seen decades' worth of evidence that hosting NU in Champaign on Thanksgiving weekend has serious drawbacks, including embarrassingly small crowds and Illini fans rarely looking forward to a weekend that is an event for most fan bases), but I am sure there were fans upset about moving the Mizzou basketball rivalry to St. Louis at one time. It's only now that it has become a true event with decades of tradition behind it and an atmosphere that is unrivaled that it is "entrenched" and people don't complain about it.

I respect that the 20k people who always show up for that last home game (especially those who spend Thanksgiving in the CU area) would not like this ... and they have every right to oppose it. However, IF you look at this through the vacuum of trying to do anything possible to give this rather lame and emotionless rivalry some sort of badly needed spice, the answer seems to certainly be to move it to Chicago. JMO, of course, but Champaign and Evanston have proven over and over again that they won't show up to this specific game on this specific Saturday. Hell, we were playing to clinch a Big Ten title and BCS Bowl berth in 2001, and the game drew poorly. It just is what it is, IMO. There are too many factors going against it:

1. Illinois has a disproportionate share of its students multiple hours away for this weekend. A Michigan student home for Thanksgiving in the Detroit suburbs can EASILY get back on the Saturday for the OSU game, and there are way more Iowa students that simply live in Iowa City, Cedar Rapids, the Quad Cities or some other area where they can easily get back for the Nebraska game. Illinois has far too many students who will always be 2.5+ hours away in Chicagoland or somewhere else.
2. To a lesser extent, I bet a lot more people in Champaign travel up to Chicagoland for Thanksgiving than one might expect. Just anecdotal here.
3. Northwestern's total lack of a fan base outside of alumni and/or Evanston residents prohibits them from ever pulling their weight here.
4. The literal matchup itself just does not get either fan base's emotions too high. There just is not the instate hate that you need. Thus, SOME sort of "event" component (call it a gimmick if you take a more cynical outlook) might be needed to make it more appealing.

With that said, there are only two ways you can ever get it to work in Chicago:

1. Simply make it a Wrigley thing. While the weather will still be a roadblock, there are WAY more people who'd suck it up for some pre- and postgame bar hopping in Wrigleyville and the iconic setting of that venue than there ever would be going to Soldier Field (while it is still outdoors).
2. Playing it at a new domed Bears stadium. If the Bears build the new domed stadium on the Lakefront, I think we jump all over that. Even if we only draw about 35k or so on our end and NU brings 10k, it would be a far superior atmosphere to either team's stadium. I think given a warm weather setting like this right downtown could genuinely become a bit of a family tradition that Illini/NU families in Chicago make more of a habit out of attending. Combine it with some Christmas shopping the day before and a weekend in the city, no one is worried about the bad weather and you have a new state-of-the-art facility.

Doing either of those two at least allows this game to take on more of a meaningful "vibe" than simply Northwestern vs. Illinois in a home-and-home football series. It becomes a very clear "Chicago EVENT" that has the chance to be something truly unique and special if/when both teams are good. Again, I think the argument against moving this game would have more legs if anyone in Champaign ever showed up ... it's just an awful weekend for this.
Really well said, as always Fighter.
 
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Completely agree. I actually love the idea of it always being at Wrigley. "Classic" venu, never have to worry about Bears schedule, would be a fun tradition for a less than remarkable B1G rivalry game.

Could probably make some sort of 1/3, 1/3, and 1/3 revenue split to make sure it is locked in every year between Illinois, Northwestern, and Wrigley.
The advantage of Wrigley is also that with a smaller capacity and a historic venue, the odds of a sellout are pretty high every season.

But that also is likely why NW will balk. They will have their own 35K stadium they can fill.
 
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This seems to come up a lot, but count me out for an annual game at Wrigley (or any other neutral site). I am fine if Northwestern decides to use their home game against us at Wrigley (but why would they with a shiny new stadium on the horizon), but we should not be in the business of giving up a true home game, especially a conference home game. There would be the scenario where Illinois has 5 conference road games, only 3 conference home games, and then this "neutral" site game every other year (unless the B1G intervenes). Until we are consistently able to get to 7+ wins on an annual basis, we should never be discussing passing on a true home game (even if we struggle to fill the stands).

I also think the allure of Wrigley will begin to fade fast. The views of the game really are not good enough, compared to views you would get at a traditional football stadium. So if this became an annual thing, and Illinois was playing terrible, you would simply begin to have many vacant seats. The first time Illinois played NW at Wrigley, it was unique, so it drew a larger audience. If it became a semi-regular event, expect a fairly large drop off in attendance at Wrigley. Not to mention that the capacity is much smaller at Wrigley compared to Memorial Stadium. If Illinois was in a position to beat NW to get to the B1G conference title, I want the game at Memorial Stadium, compared to a smaller neutral site.

I truly feel that Memorial Stadium would be packed more against NW if the game had importance. Bret is building a program where I think this game will eventually matter in a standings point of view (either winning and getting in playoff or winning for chance to appear in B1G Champ game).
 
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Anyone have any knowledge about what time bars, etc. will open around the stadium?
 
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Any reports from Ohio State fan talking about the environment and game day experience.
 
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