Tennessee 66, Illinois 64 Postgame

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#376      
Help me out here. We have a very small sample size of MJ so far but it seems like he’s limited in his ability on offense to be more than a post up player on the blocks. The only effective guy in the BU era of doing that has been Kofi and MJ is only 6’9”. Does he have outside range? And, if he doesn’t, is he not fairly easily replaceable via the portal? I want the kid to stay but it doesn’t look, so far, like he’s going to be a guy who can lead a team to a Final Four (but again, maybe he has range and a complete game that we just haven’t been able to see yet)
 
#377      
Does MJ have outside range or is he basically a low block, energy, rebound guy? Those guys are obviously good to have around but he doesn’t have Kofi’s size and if he doesn’t have range I don’t see how he’s going to be a huge factor down the road. Therefore I don’t see the need to panic if he’s going to leave. Right now is he really that much different from Dainja? The sample size is very small…does he have range?
 
#379      
How is he getting a free pass??? I don't see him turning the ball over seven times in a game!!! I don't see him getting beat off the dribble every time I turn around. Is it to late for Rodgers to rescind redshirtting this year?????
 
#380      
Just say no to drugs!!! Brad is throwing himself under the bus because his coaching decisions are costing us games!! His handling of substitutions is some of the worst in college basketball!! While Booth, who is by far one of our most gifted players languishes on the bench he marches other players out on the floor who are running around lost. Who was guarding Gainey????
 
#381      
I didn’t get to watch the game live due to family commitments but I DVRed it and just finished watching. My uneducated takes: 1. Despite his TOs and freshman mistakes KJ is a stud. 2. Whoever is designing the inbound plays need to be placed on double secret probation immediately. Also, I am not an analytics nerd or basketball savant or even a YMCA coach but it seems to me that a freshman who can defend the rim, pull down something like 8 rebounds, score maybe 8 points and make 5 of 10 free throws is better than a guy who gives you 1 rebound, 5 points, and makes 0 of 0 free throws who also is 5th year senior and will be gone next year no matter how much playing time you give him? Can one of the smart guys on this board please tell me what I am missing?
I believe the idea is floor spacing—even if Ben isn’t hitting right now, defenses still have to respect him opening up driving lanes. Not sure that’s more effective though than having Morez in there with much more production.
 
#382      
Disappointing from the perspective that we were really close to winning this game..,.and in games like this, wins and losses are decided in the margins.

Ben is getting beat up on here. I was hoping he’d have a Sean Harrington type role, but Brad is trying to make him more than that. I get it, positional size blah blah blah. But he plays like he’s 6-3, not 6-8. I think he’d actually produce more in a secondary role against players 6 thru 8 instead of the starting unit.

Mores need to play more. If he fouls out who cares, if he and Tomi both foul out, who cares, we will probably be complaining about the refs anywhere. If all he does is collect put backs, I don’t see what the problem is with that. Sure, maybe he doesn’t play the last 2 minutes due to FTs, but maybe with him in those games aren’t close.

KJ has been amazing, and I get he’s one and done, but something doesn’t sit well with me with all the TO’s. He’s perfected the Coleman palms up look to the ref though. I’m not sure how the best athletes in the world don’t feast on him at the next level. It’ll be interesting to see though and I’m determined to enjoy him his one season here.

I’m wondering if the Will Riley opening game was the worst thing for his development.
 
#383      
I hate losing. I was also very strongly encouraged by what I saw against Tennessee today. The ‘Threes R Us’ offense has evolved into a vastly more impressive and multipronged offense, which after the Northwestern performance I honestly find very reassuring. The improvement since Northwestern is extraordinary.

After having had a chance to read through comments here tonight, I see many here expressing thoughts that I share. In essence, Coach Underwood is an excellent coach overall (recruiting, culture and chemistry and trust, team-building, leadership, offensive strategy, teaching defense, strength and conditioning and nutrition, representing the School, as examples.)

And yet: he and the current staff have evidently not yet been able to effectively teach or incorporate every single aspect of basketball that is needed for a team to win championships (Underwood’s goals, yours I think, and mine). This evaluation, fleshed out briefly below and pertinent to this season’s team, is based on Coach Underwood’s entire body of work at Illinois, and at the programs he led before we were fortunate enough to recruit him here. In my view, improvements needed to finish sculpting a championship-level team include:

--Passing: the issue here is primarily on the perimeter, where every game we throw a lot of casual, low-velocity passes. Some of these get picked off for easy transition baskets for the other team. It would be a good idea to use a few more ball fakes, fake throwing passes I mean.

--Sideline out of bounds: my God are we panicky and unprepared! This can be outright embarrassing at times. We need to devote some practice time to this, ASAP.

--Baseline out of bounds plays. I saw a very good one tonight, so we’re getting better. But we could do -- literally, and I know what the term means -- an order of magnitude better. Bruce Weber's teams absolutely feasted on this action, (like him or not as a coach in general, and he was not my kind of coach

--Defense: getting much, much better but we still handle screens in a black-and-white fashion when it would be smarter to use a variety of approaches depending on individual defender/attacker matchups, location on court, time and score. We can do a little better here.

--Rebounding is getting better. Ben H is just not a rebounder, but he can improve his blocking-out. In general, a bit quicker recognition of emerging blockouts and moving to the ball off the rim around the perimeter would help some. It’s a recognition issue, not physical speed that I’m talking about, and this can be tuned up.

--Handling pressure: we are outrageously suspect against pressure, with our scheme (is there one?) and tactics right now rating “poor” even by the standard of a successful HS team. Yes, I mean that.

--Staff personnel, and probably responsibilities for the various phases of the game, need to be changed in the coming year in order to fill in key gaps. I don’t think this can be improved until next year, but maybe I’m wrong. Coach Underwood is pretty slow to implement effective changes in-game, but remarkably successful over his long career in making game-to-game and season-long changes that dramatically help his teams win.

I have all but certainly missed some issues, but I am confident fellow posters here will correct the errors, oversights, omissions and misguided views expressed here. *wink*

And I want to note that I think this season’s team has extraordinary potential, that the job of molding the team into one that wins championships is very daunting, and that I badly hope and wish that our head coach and his staff (and for Pete’s sakes, the players!) succeed.

ILL ---
Great take and refreshingly lacking the histrionics.
 
#384      
I think he reacted to cover his man who may have been diving to the goal?

I would have used that timeout on last possession or after last free throw. Team was sped up at the end and Coach probably needed to get them into a play and/or coverage.

I’ll add my voice to the “fewer minutes for #3. “
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#387      
I assume many of us are also Bears fans. Are we too used utter garbage late-game time management?
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#388      
Idk I’m a little bitter after this one. A good lead late, fouls 10 to 3 in our favor, home crowd, their best players either out or very limited time… and we lose. Let’s hope they can get better as a unit, and have more than 6 assists in the future. Such a high bball IQ roster needs to space and pass more than they did tonight.
 
#390      
There is very little hard cutting, fast movement or strong screens on our inbound plays. Four guys always seem to just drift to a spot and then try to use their bodies (too often not well) to shield their defender. Rarely do we ever hit a guy cutting to the basket. Fine, at least use some cuts to at least get the ball safely in away from the basket.
 
#392      
That is the thing. A lot of people have been grousing about BU arguing with the ref during the timeout before a bad inbounds result. How often do coaches draw up an inbounds play in the huddle? Seems to me the arguing wasn’t the issue, it was having only bad inbounds plays to call upon
 
#393      
One word sums up this game. CHOOOOOOOOOOKE! Missed a couple key free throws, key turnovers, can't get ball in bounds, 2 missed layups, POOR COACHING, worst of all how do you let a guy drive the length of the floor with6 seconds left and get a layup? Big man was suppose to bring scoring in the middle. Ivisic din't show up in the biggest game of the year!
This not just a horrible blow but a devastating LOSS!
I will go back to the shooting, that this team was a great all-around shooting team-BULL-SHT. 29% for game, 17% from 3 will not win you any games period. THIS LOSS WILL HAVE A BIG HANGOVER AFFECT. I don't want to hear that we took the #1 team to the wire. There are no prizes in if's.
 
#394      
Even if he's coming off the bench, his minutes played are way too low. He should be over Tomi... at least for today... way more of a plus on D and is a sure-fire rebounder
Huh? Tomi’s shooting hasn’t been there last 3 games and wasn’t tonight, but Tomi had 11 rebounds in 28 minutes while Morez had 2 in 12 minutes. Even I don’t need a calculator to tell me Tomi’s rebounding rate was way ahead of Morez’s against Tenn.
 
#395      
Proud of the way we fought. I don’t know that we matched their physicality but we came pretty darn close.

The beauty of our team is we have zero redundancy in our players. Everyone brings a different skill set. And Brad needs to learn which games call for which pieces.

I think Ben has been unfairly maligned, but a game where we were struggling with physicality and squeezing the ball is not a Ben game. It was a close game so you can point to a million different things, but I would argue being out rebounded 14-1 (albeit a spectacular one) at the 4 cost us the game as much as anything else.

There will be games where Ben gives us a clear advantage with shooting, spacing etc. and then he should play a lot. But this was a Morez game through and through.

The sooner Brad realizes what buttons to push when, the sooner we level up IMO
 
#396      
Any insight as to Riley's performance? We can include the NW game in this analysis.

He's young, but he's getting a free pass from the wrath of the angry villagers on this board.
I mentioned this in the game thread, but last night he kept doing this shake and bake stuff out on the perimeter but didn’t go anywhere and then heaved up a shot that was more contested than if he had just shot immediately. And he’s just not strong enough to be effective in lane/at rim. He was drawing fouls though and making his FTs, which was good.
 
#399      
The inbound play hate is a joke. Two crucial ones we had Freshman(Will and KJ) taking the ball out. Nothing wrong with the plays, just inexperienced guys making lazy passes. Not to mention inexperienced guys making lazy cuts. The plays are fine. Gotta execute! Yes, he should’ve called timeout after the made FT, that I agree with. But enough with the BU bashing. Just toughen up, learn from it, and move on. Beat Missouri!
 
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