Illinois 80, Missouri 77 Postgame

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Chieeeeeef
skyIdub said:
I will duck immediately after posting this for the ensuing food thrown at me....but if you watch the slow mo replay of Morez going to the floor during the T on Gates, Morez was falling backwards as the guy wrapped his arms around him.

So it wasn't as egregious as it looked full speed. He definitely helped him to the floor, but he didn't really throw him.
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altgeld88
skyIdub said:
I will duck immediately after posting this for the ensuing food thrown at me....but if you watch the slow mo replay of Morez going to the floor during the T on Gates, Morez was falling backwards as the guy wrapped his arms around him.

So it wasn't as egregious as it looked full speed. He definitely helped him to the floor, but he didn't really throw him.
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My brother... I am always fully prepared to accept your judgement on such matters and was also ready to eat crow on this, though I was shaken at the prospect of having seen this from multiple replay angles so incorrectly.

However, I watch it and it seems absolutely clear that Marshall throws Morez to the floor casually, with impunity and not an iota of remorse. He walks away toward the bench afterward without even looking back at Morez chewing hardwood. Morez is never falling backward; he's thrown forward, face down.

It's not a Rashomon difference of perception here. I've queued this to the play itself. It seems like a flagrant:

 
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#478      
uofi7477
skyIdub said:
I will duck immediately after posting this for the ensuing food thrown at me....but if you watch the slow mo replay of Morez going to the floor during the T on Gates, Morez was falling backwards as the guy wrapped his arms around him.

So it wasn't as egregious as it looked full speed. He definitely helped him to the floor, but he didn't really throw him.
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Agreed, but this still does not negate the overall thuggish play of miznoz.
 
#479      
BashCtIllini
skyIdub said:
I will duck immediately after posting this for the ensuing food thrown at me....but if you watch the slow mo replay of Morez going to the floor during the T on Gates, Morez was falling backwards as the guy wrapped his arms around him.

So it wasn't as egregious as it looked full speed. He definitely helped him to the floor, but he didn't really throw him.
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He was absolutely not falling backwards, he was trying to pivot away from a large human who just gave him a big hip check. Then he just got grabbed around the waist and tossed. Morez is a big boy. He didn't seem too concerned about it, looked shocked more than anything.

I didn't find the play particularly vicious. I think we've all seen much more malicious fouls. It was more strange and funny than anything. Did you just throw a player to the ground and casually walk off like you didn't do anything?
 
#481      
InDaAZ
altgeld88 said:
My brother... I am always fully prepared to accept your judgement on such matters and was also ready to eat crow on this, though I was shaken at the prospect of having seen this from multiple replay angles so incorrectly.

However, I watch it and it seems absolutely clear that Marshall throws Morez to the floor casually, with impunity and not an iota of remorse. He walks away toward the bench afterward without even looking back at Morez chewing hardwood. Morez is never falling backward; he's thrown forward, face down.

It's not a Rashomon difference of perception here. I've queued this to the play itself. It seems like a flagrant:

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And you will notice that immediately before the WWF takedown of Rez, Manchild Marshall gives him a hard elbow to the back, showing his intent all along was to inflict harm. He was clearly butthurt that Rez came away with the rebound/loose ball.

Bush league!
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#482      
NashvILLe05
skyIdub said:
I will duck immediately after posting this for the ensuing food thrown at me....but if you watch the slow mo replay of Morez going to the floor during the T on Gates, Morez was falling backwards as the guy wrapped his arms around him.

So it wasn't as egregious as it looked full speed. He definitely helped him to the floor, but he didn't really throw him.
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Love the boldness of this post. This is @skyIdub running away from the rest of us lunatics.

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#484      
skyIdub
altgeld88 said:
My brother... I am always fully prepared to accept your judgement on such matters and was also ready to eat crow on this, though I was shaken at the prospect of having seen this from multiple replay angles so incorrectly.

However, I watch it and it seems absolutely clear that Marshall throws Morez to the floor casually, with impunity and not an iota of remorse. He walks away toward the bench afterward without even looking back at Morez chewing hardwood. Morez is never falling backward; he's thrown forward, face down.

It's not a Rashomon difference of perception here. I've queued this to the play itself. It seems like a flagrant:

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Lol...he's definitely helping him to the floor, but not outright "throwing" him. Morez's momentum was 100% going that way. It's just not as egregious as it looks at full speed. There was a better replay in slow motion from the camera under the basket, but I can't find it.

Also:

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#485      
PleaseMakeABowlGame
illiniguy24 said:
I remember us all being pretty excited. Especially after learning Egor cost $2 mil
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#486      
OrangeBlue98
Illinimark said:
After watching this scenario for many seasons I am beginning to believe that during the early non-conference schedule that the refs are playing the spread. It has appeared to me that they call these games in a manner that insures that the final score, more often than not, aligns with the morning line. Sorry to sound like a conspiracy nut. Still, these phantom fouls and missed calls are happening so often that one has to wonder if these guys are just padding their retirement accounts.
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I'm going to defend my officiating brethren here. Unless anyone has hard evidence that point-shaving or match-fixing is occurring, I would really appreciate not spreading conspiracy theories about these kinds of things on this board.

Officials in general are good people who are performing a hard job in challenging circumstances. While I'll never say never that an individual official may be involved, the idea that many are doing this simply defies belief. It would take a LOT of people not saying anything, and that's just not going to happen.

It's completely fair to raise questions about specific plays or an approach to a game, but to raise questions about match-fixing is where I'd like to draw the line.
 
#487      
altgeld88
skyIdub said:
Lol...he's definitely helping him to the floor, but not outright "throwing" him. Morez's momentum was 100% going that way. It's just not as egregious as it looks at full speed. There was a better replay in slow motion from the camera under the basket, but I can't find it.

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rofl. I'm dying on the hill that it was an act of war.
 
#489      
WyattEarp
illiniguy24 said:
I remember us all being pretty excited. Especially after learning Egor cost $2 mil
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Right-right…the ridiculou$ price tag etc

But then I remember Brad… initially was intrigued with Egor and all about it…but then pretty soon after he seemed to think Kasparov might actually be the better overall player…

At least that’s the story we got and most of us basically nodded in agreement…
That’s the way I remember it at least.
 
#491      
NarrowJ
IIRC the meltdowns happened way earlier (Storr, Maddox). A sequel to last season's RayJ Dennis, if you will. Then another mini-meltdown re: Ivisic eligibility. I do think 98 percent of us were excited about KJ, especially after seeing him dominate games playing against other future NBA talent.
 
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foby
PleaseMakeABowlGame said:

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#494      
BretMyBeachHouse
PleaseMakeABowlGame said:

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LOL. Are you trying to support your "every comment" when he committed said it was a "setback "?

Two posters were critical. All others were supportive.

Just a bizarre turn to come on here trying to throw shade at the fanbase and basically disprove your point.
 
#495      
bluemountain
BWA said:
Why are people calling for minutes for Booth? Clearly he is not earning them.
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It's hard to believe he would be worse than BH at this point. I understand what BU is trying to do, but at some point you have to give up and move on. And we have to be close to that point with Ben. We know he doesn't rebound and he is a below average defensive player and ball handler, so if he isn't hitting the 3 he has very little value. What is the harm in giving Booth some minutes to see what he can do?
 
#496      
illiniguy24
PleaseMakeABowlGame said:

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Are you expecting us to read 5 pages of a thread to try and prove your point for you?
 
#497      
EyeoftheIllini
OrangeBlue98 said:
I'm going to defend my officiating brethren here. Unless anyone has hard evidence that point-shaving or match-fixing is occurring, I would really appreciate not spreading conspiracy theories about these kinds of things on this board.

Officials in general are good people who are performing a hard job in challenging circumstances. While I'll never say never that an individual official may be involved, the idea that many are doing this simply defies belief. It would take a LOT of people not saying anything, and that's just not going to happen.

It's completely fair to raise questions about specific plays or an approach to a game, but to raise questions about match-fixing is where I'd like to draw the line.
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Especially when you take into consideration that the fans of each Illini opponent are complaining just as hard about the officiating from their perspective.
 
#499      
GatorMcKlusky
If Ohio State gives its' players a gold pants charm for beating Michigan in football, we ought to give our players something similar for beating Mizzou in basketball.
 
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