I can't see a reason what so ever a guy like BHum could be upset with his role, especially with his production for what he's been given... But, I've got to think that if he's unhappy, it seems like Tre is unhappy, we've heard Rez was at one point unhappy, Booth is unhappy, DGL was unhappy at one point at least, maybe, just maybe, all of these guys should buy into a role and this team would be good again?
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Who else can play? Booth?
All the talks about him being a possible second rounder early in the season, and not just from people at Illinois, had to affect his mindset.
For the last 2 games but he had been bad until then
The question is what role was promised them? Maybe no promises were made, but makes you wonder. Hopefully we aren't promising anything, but the reluctant lineup changes seems to indicate otherwise
Yeah I can’t see why Ben is unhappy. Before KJ and Tomi got hurt, he was in 3 man actions with a lotto PG getting a ton of open looks. At NW he was 1-9 and was a big part of why we lost.
He’s still getting looks and now we’ve also incorporated some booty ball sets for him as matchups dictate. His role is perfect and mirrors a role he would have in the NBA if he gets there.
Spot up shooters don’t routinely get 10+ shots in the league. And I don’t think scouts would care at all if he was ball dominant and was racking up a bunch of empty calories backing down guys who will be selling insurance after college. If he wants to make the league he should make more 3s.
He’s still getting looks and now we’ve also incorporated some booty ball sets for him as matchups dictate. His role is perfect and mirrors a role he would have in the NBA if he gets there.
Spot up shooters don’t routinely get 10+ shots in the league. And I don’t think scouts would care at all if he was ball dominant and was racking up a bunch of empty calories backing down guys who will be selling insurance after college. If he wants to make the league he should make more 3s.
Any idea if the "wants more shots" narrative is coming from Ben himself or his camp? The reason I ask is often I see him get the ball with the opportunity to shoot an open (at least somewhat) in rhythm 3 and he looks like he lacks confidence and passes it up. Kinda like what KB looks like under the basket the last 10 days. Ben then passes it to a teammate who doesn't have a better shot instead of taking it himself. So I just wonder if he really wants more shots or if that is just what his family/handlers are saying.
Of course share what you can, and I understand that you can't tell us everything. Thanks for all the information you provide!
The failure to utilize him in booty ball more than once or twice a game is coaching malpractice.
Ben has only himself to blame for being put on the bench. If he wants more shots he has to make the wide open ones he gets. Pretty stunning hubris from a guy playing NAIA two years ago and on a terrible MVC team last year.
However, to his credit I actually thought he had a pretty decent game last night and wasn't too bad against Ohio State.
I think we would all sign up for the Rutgers version of Ben coming off the bench the rest of the year. So hopefully he keeps playing with that same effort, like a guy who wants his starting job back.
Ben is actually shooting it a half a percentage point better than KJ now, 11% better than Kylan, and 7% better than DGL from 3 on the season. No one is killing it. Ben did shoot better last night and while he could do better, it's a bit harsh that so many are so focused on Ben when other than Riley, Bens 34.8% shooting issues are far from the worst when he is compared to others who don't hesitate to take them as well.
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Some of these takes
.I get the frustration, but there's a difference between frustration and just false nonsense.
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The main issue isn't scheme but building a team around supposedly superior 3-point shooting ability and having it launch 25-35 per game while ranking last in Big 10 in 3-point percentage and around 310 (out of 352 Division I basketball schools). I wish bricking threes was a "right now" issue but it's not. It has been season long with few exceptions and has gotten worse over the last several games.
We lead the conference in 3-point attempts and are dead last in percentage, yet we keep jacking up those shots. What's wrong with this picture? It's really frustrating to watch, especially when we saw how driving inside and abandoning threes led to the big turnaround in the second half against OSU.
But yet against Rutgers it was back to firing away from behind the arc in the first half, making only 2 of 17.
Why did the coaching staff so badly misjudge these players ability to hit threes consistently? And why have they allowed the team to continue to fire way so much from beyond the arc when shooting so miserably?
The illness/injuries to Ivisic and KJ have been a major factor recently, but the persistent 3-point attempts with awful results has led to too many wasted offensive possessions and disappointing defeats.
I suspect the guys can't miss the 3's in practice, but then get the yips come game time.
Ted Lasso solved this problem with a team shrink - wonder if that could help our guys?
Ted Lasso solved this problem with a team shrink - wonder if that could help our guys?
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Jfc. Ben Humrichous is a mid major player getting overpaid to suck on a B1G team.
He needs to stfu stfd and accept the role that he shot himself into.
I’ve seen enough. He has no business on a (what was) B1G contender.
We could have kept Luke for probably less money and promoted program commitment and FamILLy.
I’m so over this “elite” shooting bullsh$t.
He needs to stfu stfd and accept the role that he shot himself into.
I’ve seen enough. He has no business on a (what was) B1G contender.
We could have kept Luke for probably less money and promoted program commitment and FamILLy.
I’m so over this “elite” shooting bullsh$t.
Yeah he can’t suck then demands more shots and minutes unless he’s named Bronny James.
Too bad he's unhappy, but that's where he belongs based on his play. Big step up this season from Missouri Valley and NAIA before that. Didn't make the transition well to the faster, more physical game in the Big 10.
If he had played better, grabbed an occasional rebound and shot threes as if he were actually an, in Underwood's words, "elite shooter" he would still be starting. Underwood gave him a very long leash to prove his worth, but at the Big 10 level his lack of athleticism means he's a spot-up outside shooter whose inability to shoot well consistently has consigned him to the bench, several games later than it should have.
Ben doesn’t bring much else to the table. If he was a good defender or rebounder I doubt people would have the pitchforks out.
His shooting has been far from advertised and it’s laughable that he should be unhappy. Hes clanking wide open rhythm shots. IMO players being paid opens them up to more criticism than before as well.
If Ben cost any sort of significant NIL, that was an awful decision by the coaching staff. Anyone who saw him play last season at Evansville or even someone who looked at his game by game stat line and saw that he had next to no decent performances against the top half of the MVC could have seen that this guy is a gamble at best and a project at worst. He isn't someone you throw money at. The more I hear about the offseason decisions that were made, the more convinced I am that changes are urgently needed in our staff.
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We wish you well, and don't let the door hit you on the tuchus.
Sometimes you just have to acknowledge what you are and have to be able to change things up when the original game plan isn't working. I remember a few years ago msu was one of the better teams in the conference and ranked fairly high nationaly yet at the same time they were a terrible 3 point shooting team. They accepted what they were and played to their strengths and did quite well. They very seldom took over 10 threes in a game and made it work for them. That's how our staff should approach the rest of the season. Being aware of what's working and what isn't and keep us from having any extended scoring droughts.
Having a team that can't shoot and saying scheme isn't the issue they just cant hit the shots is a take, respectfully.
College stats aren't nba stats where you have hundreds and hundreds of games of data that show you it will turn around, this team can't shoot. Its February its over thinkink this team will just start splashing threes. Therefore, it is a scheme issue.
I don't agree at all. That is narrow. Basketball is much, much more than shooting (I have to say that, since I couldn't hit a shot until I was at least 19).
Here's the truth: if your game is making shots and nothing else, ya gotta make shots at a high rate. If you are, instead, a guy that collects rebounds like a vampire collects souls (not Ben), you're gonna play.
If you're a guy who draws attention in a way that gets teammates good shots (kinda, maybe, a little Ben) -- because you are a killer with a jumper or you drive to the hole like an avalanche with intent to kill -- then you're a contributor. And you're gonna play.
If you shut guys down on the defensive end (not Ben), send the other team's coach into orbit with frustration over that, and make your team mates' souls burn red hot and then white hot in pursuit of victory? Then you're a contributor. And you're gonna play.
If you show up every day, fight your heart out, do everything you can to set that screen, defend but not send the guy to the foul line, get that loose ball? You're the kind of warrior a team needs. And you're gonna play. That's not Ben either.
I like Ben. I see a lot of me there.
But if you're a highly-paid (and there's the rub) sharpshooter: just do it! Otherwise, you get a spot on the bench.
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To me, he doesn't have the skill set to be very effective at booty ball. His overall body strength, ball handling, and ability to read the defense isn't comparable to Domask.
I don’t have the numbers to support this but the eye test seems like he either has to kick it for an unsuccessful shot or a turnaround that he leaves short
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