Duke 110, Illinois 67 Postgame

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#426      
Epsilon
LvilleILL1 said:
A few thoughts....

#1, that was pathetic. No effort on energy especially on defense. I can live with the missed shots, but the defense was embarrassing.

#2, Morez/Tomi/then just pick whatever two other guys you want back (Personally would say one of Boswell/DGL plus one of Ty/Davis). Other than those few, need to build a new roster and hit on guys

#3, the people who want Brad fired are idiots. Again this collapse has been pathetic but this has happened to Izzy recently as well. Elite coaches have seasons like this. Painter has had horrible seasons in the last ten years.

#4, With that being said, this offseason is make or break for me. No reason as to why you can't build a championship winning roster. The pressure is on to have elite talent and guys who can actually make an open three

#5, MAKE CHANGES WITH A COUPLE NEW ASSISTANTS

#6, Still think they can salvage something out of the season. Morez should be back for the BTT, so win a couple of games and get into MM then see if you can win a game or two.

#7, Love this university and fanbase, but man some of the comments on these players have been horrible. Yes they are paid, but half of our team are 18 or 19 year old kids. They rhythm of this team has totally been thrown off and they have lost their mojo. Anyone who has ever played sports at a high level-this can easily happen in a season.

#8, This is probably rock bottom in terms of the last five years. Hang in there though, better days will be ahead. I trust Brad to make the right changes this offseason. Hopefully the guys this year can still string something together.

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You seemed to be pretty low on Brad after the last loss, but either way I agree you can’t fire a coach the year after an elite 8 run. The optics would be horrible. Who would want to coach here after that? But if we’re being honest, don’t you think Brad’s ceiling is that of his support staff? I mean, everyone is affected by who is around them, but I really don’t get the sense that he’s the brilliant mind training up his staff to his level but rather that his success is mostly linked to who can make him look good within his staff. Maybe he is a very good (or better than average?) coach idk, but elite? I’m not so convinced anymore.
 
#427      
skyIdub
If I am Josh:

You don't "fire Brad".... unless you sit down with him after the season and he still sees nothing wrong with his child as our AC in charge of offense and Hamer in charge of our defense.

If he is that hard headed and stubborn....you fire him, or let him walk.

Getting beat because your team is a mess with sickness and injury is one thing.

Getting absolutely sh#t whipped embarrassed in the worst loss in your HISTORY on prime time Sat TV in MSG?

No.
 
#428      
the juiceman cometh
skyIdub said:
If I am Josh:

You don't "fire Brad".... unless you sit down with him after the season and he still sees nothing wrong with his child as our AC in charge of offense and Hamer in charge of our defense.

If he is that hard headed and stubborn....you fire him, or let him walk.

Getting beat because your team is a mess with sickness and injury is one thing.

Getting absolutely sh#t whipped embarrassed in the worst loss in your HISTORY on prime time Sat TV in MSG?

No.
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Yeah, BU needs to exhibit a lot of humility. This is 100% his worst season since he got the team turned around. Worse even than 2022-2023.He needs to acknowledge that or it'll be impossible to connect.

I also think at this point he's earned the opportunity to do so. This season has been an absolute letdown, and I hope he can really internalize that fact and channel it into something better.
 
#429      
chudaman
Was that Hamer sitting next to Tyler on the bench and picking his nose on national tv?
 
#431      
SAELION
STLini25 said:
Will some someone please tell Brad the reason why we shoot a higher percentage from 3 in practice than games is because Illinois is horrible at guarding the three so the practice shots are wide open and then in games they have a defense playing against them.

Every three Duke took was wide open with no defense.
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Every three Illinois took was wide open because Duke packed it in and knows Illinois can't makes threes.
 
#432      
Oracle21
skyIdub said:
If I am Josh:

You don't "fire Brad".... unless you sit down with him after the season and he still sees nothing wrong with his child as our AC in charge of offense and Hamer in charge of our defense.

If he is that hard headed and stubborn....you fire him, or let him walk.

Getting beat because your team is a mess with sickness and injury is one thing.

Getting absolutely sh#t whipped embarrassed in the worst loss in your HISTORY on prime time Sat TV in MSG?

No.
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I still think the assistant coaching thing is way overrated. Have you looked at Duke’s staff? It’s Scheyer, and then basically 2 recruiters (Jai Lucas, Emanuel Dildy), 1 long time alum (Chris Carrawell) and another basic sympathy hire in (Will Avery - who had 0 experience coaching till Scheyer hired him).

Yet Duke looks very well coached bc the Head Coach is doing the coaching.

It lets Brad completely off the hook by claiming the assistants are why we look poorly coached. It’s the head coach’s job to coach.
 
#433      
the sports sage
I watched the presser. None of us would want to have to face anyone just a few minutes after what happened tonight. I don't even know what you say to your team because, this late in the season, you're probably starting to repeat things you've already said.

Lots of word salads and even contradictory statements. Emphasizing that the team has only had 1 practice together since the Indiana game which I guess explains why their defense and offense is "off" and then defending all the missed threes, saying that they make them in practice. Well, maybe you make the threes in practice because your practices aren't simulating games because you have so few players practicing. Come on, Brad.

My biggest takeaway tonight is that the B1G may be as bad as ever. The last 2+ months of the season are essentially single games versus conference opponents. The ACC is not good this year and they have as many teams as the B1G. They may only get 4 teams in but those 3 other teams played Duke tough and Clemson beat them. Duke is young. They may make it to the Elite 8 but an older, more experienced team will beat them. If I'm right, which B1G teams do you think have a true shot at beating Duke? I say, "Zero". There are at least 9 other teams from other conferences that I think could have won the B1G this year.

We may get 10 teams in MM but I will be shocked, based on what I saw tonight, if more than 1 or 2 B1G teams make it to the 2nd weekend and I expect to see zero in the Elite 8 this year.
 
#434      
stlrunner
Fly Illini Fly! said:
Interesting topic actually. Honestly decided to look back a bit. I'm sure there's more, but the ones in recent memory and/or right off the top of my head:





You asked for it 🤷‍♂️
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Only one of those examples was actually a loss of more than 30, which is what he asked for. (Purdue losing by 32 to Kansas barely qualified). Izzo’s pair of 30 point losses were his worst margins of defeat according to a game recap.

The general point is that even Izzo and Painter have some stinkers/embarrassing losses, and these are good examples of that.

However, I’ve yet to see that either of them have been beaten in a game by 43 points before, and haven’t even come close to that margin of defeat.
 
#435      
uofi7477
Still doesn't cure the underlying problem though.
 
#436      
Brosky
NIT here we come. The silver lining is the SFC, a splendid venue that might let us host a couple of rounds. If we win the whole thing (which I doubt would happen,) we can have a confetti parade down Green St.
 
#437      
PepeSilvia
anthony1213 said:
Please give me data where Izzo and Painter lost by more than 30 points in a game ever.
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Painter lost a 1 vs 16 matchup which was only the 2nd one history and lost to a 15 seed the year before in the sweet 16 and a 13 the year before. Though I think Painter definitely had some questions marks until getting to the title game last year.

Izzo had been getting some heat about retiring from the MSU fanbase but everything with him is muted since he has been coaching there since the early 80s, been to 8 final fours, and won a title.

Brad simply doesn't have that goodwill that Izzo built up and is more similar to Painter pre Painters title run last year.
 
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PepeSilvia
Epsilon said:
You seemed to be pretty low on Brad after the last loss, but either way I agree you can’t fire a coach the year after an elite 8 run. The optics would be horrible. Who would want to coach here after that? But if we’re being honest, don’t you think Brad’s ceiling is that of his support staff? I mean, everyone is affected by who is around them, but I really don’t get the sense that he’s the brilliant mind training up his staff to his level but rather that his success is mostly linked to who can make him look good within his staff. Maybe he is a very good (or better than average?) coach idk, but elite? I’m not so convinced anymore.
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Brads a recruiter and supposedly a program builder type of coach. The transfer portal has kind of killed the program builder part where he has been struggling to keep guys for more than a year or two and even lost a kid in Coleman that had played 4 years here to Kansas State.

So his assistant coaches that are calling the offense and defense while developing kids are incredibly important.

Honestly this team would likely be way better if you just managed to bring Coleman back(letting Hum go or come off the bench) and getting a role that keeps Ty from redshirting.
 
#439      
PasadenaIllini
If we were to hire Chris Beard, I would cease being a fan of the Illini basketball program until his coaching tenure were to end. Not that it matters, because we won't hire him. Our AD's principles are WAY better than this. Some things are more important than basketball.
 
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#443      
Vinegarben
I have but 1 question for Brad and his merry men.
How many top high school recruits and even transfer portal players do you think watched this beatdown and said: "Hell yes, I want to play for Illinois!"
 
#444      
ILtaximan
Im in the wrong biz
 

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#446      
Oracle21
The main reason we appear poorly coached is because we run the same defense all game long (drop coverage with a big (Tomi) who can’t defend it), and offense is nothing but KJ dribbling and 3 other guys spread out on the perimeter doing nothing.

Illinois is far too predictable. And teams can get anything they want against us bc we play the same way every time with mostly subpar athleticism. Coaching is about changing things up.

Duke had tons of variation in their offense. Sometimes it’d be off ball action of a guy curling around a screen. Riley got burnt numerous times on this. Sometimes it’d be ISOs with Flagg/Knueppel posting up. Other times it’d be exploiting our drop coverage which guarantees an easy shot in the lane or a lob dunk.

This very basic nothing offense of high pick n roll, step back 3. It’s not good enough at this level. If you are going to run the most basic of plays 100% of the game, you better have an overwhelming talent advantage to make up for being predictable, and we don’t have it.
 
#449      
BoiseBaller
Emerson Bigguns said:
No one has more control over what happens out there than those young men. They need to take a long look in the mirror and decide if they want to compete.
This game was non-competitive. You have to have the guts to knock down shots. We have guys who can shoot. The issue is toughness.
Sadly, sometimes toughness is born though getting humiliated.
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lol. Maybe they should bring back Weber's "play hard chart".
 
#450      
the sports sage
When we are talking about large victory margins, what stood out in this game is that it was a late-season non-conference game in a legendary arena in front of a national audience and sellout crowd.

If you are one of the two teams, that should be more than enough incentive to be fired up.

Duke pulled it's starters with 6-and-a-half minutes remaining and was able to even get down to the walk-ons and maintain/increase the margin of victory against Illinois, which had all/some of its starters on the court until the final horn.
 
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