Coaching Carousel (Basketball)

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USAFILLINI
the juiceman cometh said:
The existence of a Coaching Carousel thread does not require you to make arguments for why we should fire a highly successful coach. We also have a Conference Realignment thread, and yet nobody seems compelled to make the argument we should leave the Big Ten and join the MAC, just because a thread exists on that general topic.
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I never said to fire him, but there needs to be a serious conversation on what JW is comfortable with going forward if he doesn't make it past the first weekend. Cant imagine the donors will want to pony up big money again if they get a first weekend bounce this tournament.

Unfortunately for you, Illinois has never talked about leaving the Big Ten for the MAC, but there's plenty of history or rather, a lack of it, when it comes to BU advancing past the first weekend. I appreciate your false equivalence and hope we have a long tournament run again this year, which I will gladly come back here to eat crow.
 
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ptgrd23
Last 10 coaches to win NCAA MBB
Hurley, Hurley, Self, S Drew, Bennett (retired), Wright (retired), Williams (retired) Wright (retired). Coach K (retired) Ollie (fired)

Hurley turned down blank check at UK
S Drew same
Self is going to retire at KS

JMO - I doubt we can do much better than Brad who is proven to be NIL$ portal guru and has led us to 5 straight NCAA berths.

Wonderkid Dusty May got exposed yesterday. Lets see how he does without Golden next year.
People were ready to fire Greg Guard at Wisconsin and retire Izzo. Both are top 10 thus year.
 
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poor dirt farmer
USAFILLINI said:
I never said to fire him, but there needs to be a serious conversation on what JW is comfortable with going forward if he doesn't make it past the first weekend. Cant imagine the donors will want to pony up big money again if they get a first weekend bounce this tournament.

Unfortunately for you, Illinois has never talked about leaving the Big Ten for the MAC, but there's plenty of history or rather, a lack of it, when it comes to BU advancing past the first weekend. I appreciate your false equivalence and hope we have a long tournament run again this year, which I will gladly come back here to eat crow.
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One thing I thought was interesting was it was mentioned a few days ago that Brad's agent was told that the buy out for Brad to take another job could be negotiated down if that's true I think that's pretty incredible, it sounds like they're saying they want him to leave. If K State wants him then take him. I think he's a good coach but at the price point he's at there's better coaches out there.
 
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poor dirt farmer
ptgrd23 said:
Last 10 coaches to win NCAA MBB
Hurley, Hurley, Self, S Drew, Bennett (retired), Wright (retired), Williams (retired) Wright (retired). Coach K (retired) Ollie (fired)

Hurley turned down blank check at UK
S Drew same
Self is going to retire at KS

JMO - I doubt we can do much better than Brad who is proven to be NIL$ portal guru and has led us to 5 straight NCAA berths.

Wonderkid Dusty May got exposed yesterday. Lets see how he does with Golden next year.
People were ready to fire Greg Guard at Wisconsin and retire Izzo. Both are top 10 thus year.
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Lots of great candidates have been mentioned the last three weeks. May didn't get exposed, Illinois is better, finally somewhat healthy and they played better yesterday for a change. If anything yesterday shows how impressive a job he's done they're overachieved to this point of the season.
 
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Illini2010-11
poor dirt farmer said:
One thing I thought was interesting was it was mentioned a few days ago that Brad's agent was told that the buy out for Brad to take another job could be negotiated down if that's true I think that's pretty incredible, it sounds like they're saying they want him to leave. If K State wants him then take him. I think he's a good coach but at the price point he's at there's better coaches out there.
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I don't think it means that Josh and Co want to let him leave, but more of an indication to stop using discussing openings with other schools as a leverage tool against us and that we are not going to blanket pay him more to keep him here. If he really wants to leave, then go ahead. It means that Josh must feel very comfortable with being able to find a suitable replacement, and that the bank is not going to keep paying Brad more (unless results dictate it, i.e., getting to F4, National Title, etc.).
 
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RabidDawgClassic
poor dirt farmer said:
Point number 1, who cares we're in 7th place in the conference, the x and o's and adjustments aren't different they're not good enough for the time effort and money being invested in the program.
Point number 2 we've had several people rattling off names for the last three weeks if we tried we could probably rattle off more than 8 you read and post on here more than I do you already know the names being rattled off.
Point number 3 I said contend not get there.
I always appreciate reading your post I'm sure you know more than I do but at least in this instance we disagree.
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Jules… that you?
 
#83      
the juiceman cometh
poor dirt farmer said:
Lots of great candidates have been mentioned the last three weeks. May didn't get exposed, Illinois is better, finally somewhat healthy and they played better yesterday for a change. If anything yesterday shows how impressive a job he's done they're overachieved to this point of the season.
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So let me get this straight.

Illinois blows out Michigan in their own arena.

Your takeaway is this game is more evidence that May has done great and Underwood should be replaced.
 
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ptgrd23
ptgrd23 said:
Last 10 coaches to win NCAA MBB
Hurley, Hurley, Self, S Drew, Bennett (retired), Wright (retired), Williams (retired) Wright (retired). Coach K (retired) Ollie (fired)

Hurley turned down blank check at UK
S Drew same
Self is going to retire at KS

JMO - I doubt we can do much better than Brad who is proven to be NIL$ portal guru and has led us to 5 straight NCAA berths.

Wonderkid Dusty May got exposed yesterday. Lets see how he does without Golden next year.
People were ready to fire Greg Guard at Wisconsin and retire Izzo. Both are top 10 thus year.
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People said Painter was only good because of Edey but Painter is killing it this year

Brad lost 5 seniors (TSJ, Marcus, Quincy, Coleman and Harmon) 4 to portal (Amani, Dain, Sencire, Nico) and 1 to redshirt (Ty) so 10 players
He reloaded with 5 transfers (Ben, Jake, Kylan , Carey, Trey), 4 freshman (KJ, Tomas, Morez, Will) plus DGL.
He has us excited about BTT and already a lock for NCAA bid.
Future is so bright gotta wear shades.
 
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From the cheap seats
Why would those better coaches -- who if they are that good are likely already making good money and/or are in high demand by the likes of North Carolina -- want to come to a school that wishes to replace a coach coming off an Elite 8 appearance, another NCAA bid (5 straight years) and multiple B1G titles? Judging a coach solely or primarily on the basis of winning at least two games per year in a single-elimination tournament is kind of like Ohio State wanting to get rid of a football coach just because he can't beat Michigan, everything else be damned (can I say that?)
 
#86      
poor dirt farmer
the juiceman cometh said:
So let me get this straight.

Illinois blows out Michigan in their own arena.

Your takeaway is this game is more evidence that May has done great and Underwood should be replaced.
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yes they aren't that good yet look where he has them in the standings, as for Illinois injuries or not they are so wildly inconsistent aside from shooting poorly playing lousy defense and turning the ball over at an alarming rate.
 
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WyattEarp
21ChampaignSt said:
I think Jules is an extreme Brad cult member who created a burner account to make the Fire Braders look completely delusional and unhinged thus cutting the legs from under the movement.

It's actually brilliant.
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the usual suspects GIF
 
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the juiceman cometh
USAFILLINI said:
I never said to fire him, but there needs to be a serious conversation on what JW is comfortable with going forward if he doesn't make it past the first weekend. Cant imagine the donors will want to pony up big money again if they get a first weekend bounce this tournament.

Unfortunately for you, Illinois has never talked about leaving the Big Ten for the MAC, but there's plenty of history or rather, a lack of it, when it comes to BU advancing past the first weekend. I appreciate your false equivalence and hope we have a long tournament run again this year, which I will gladly come back here to eat crow.
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It's not a false equivalence, it's hyperbole, a common rhetorical device in which exaggeration is used to emphasize a point, often with comedic effect.

The point I was attempting to make is that the existence of a Coaching Carousel thread does not require anyone to argue our coach should be replaced, and does not in itself justify taking that position. I could have pointed out that a Football Coaching Carousel thread exists, but nobody is advocating for Bielema to be replaced. That would have been more direct and on the nose. But I chose to employ hyperbole, so went with a more ridiculous example, to emphasize the ridiculousness of invoking the name of the thread in justifying your argument.
 
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poor dirt farmer
From the cheap seats said:
Why would those better coaches -- who if they are that good are likely already making good money and/or are in high demand by the likes of North Carolina -- want to come to a school that wishes to replace a coach coming off an Elite 8 appearance, another NCAA bid (5 straight years) and multiple B1G titles? Judging a coach solely or primarily on the basis of winning at least two games per year in a single-elimination tournament is kind of like Ohio State wanting to get rid of a football coach just because he can't beat Michigan, everything else be damned (can I say that?)
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As has been said ad nauseam people want to work for our AD our school has a lot more to offer than most. Coaches want to go where they can win. Carolina will hire one coach there are plenty of others mainly if Sean Miller would come to Illinois that would be a huge next step.
 
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From the cheap seats
Now I'm really confused. May is a great coach because he has guided a mediocre team to the top of the league (until it ran into a poorly coached Illini team that boat-raced them). But I thought we were grading coaches not on the regular season, but on the NCAA Tourney. That means May would go from a great coach right now to on the hot seat in 3 weeks if Michigan doesn't get out of the first weekend?
 
#93      
poor dirt farmer
From the cheap seats said:
Now I'm really confused. May is a great coach because he has guided a mediocre team to the top of the league (until it ran into a poorly coached Illini team that boat-raced them). But I thought we were grading coaches not on the regular season, but on the NCAA Tourney. That means May would go from a great coach right now to on the hot seat in 3 weeks if Michigan doesn't get out of the first weekend?
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it's ok to disagree believe what you want. Thanks for posting.
 
#94      
BalloonsTheElephant
From the cheap seats said:
Now I'm really confused. May is a great coach because he has guided a mediocre team to the top of the league (until it ran into a poorly coached Illini team that boat-raced them). But I thought we were grading coaches not on the regular season, but on the NCAA Tourney. That means May would go from a great coach right now to on the hot seat in 3 weeks if Michigan doesn't get out of the first weekend?
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Coaching is fluid.
 
#95      
Heisenbobble
splitter said:
No, now that his stock is going up again those people are afraid of losing Brad.
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Eh, he certainly doesn't deserve to be fired, but if he were to leave on his own, I'm not scared one bit. Illinois is in the upper echelon of college hoops programs with an AD that prioritizes winning and will pay top dollar for the next hoops coach. #InAGoodSpotNoMatterWhat
 
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From the cheap seats
fuggles said:
I think some of the posters have forgotten or weren’t here a couple years ago when JW told the media that he doesn’t measure our success on the NCAA tournament.
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Nor should he. I get a requirement to make the tourney as that signifies season-long accomplishment. Would I love the Illini to get back to the Final Four? Heck yes! I'm sure coaches want that, too. I feel for a guy like Sean Miller, who has been to the E8 four times...but never made a Final Four even with all those opportunities. Heck, he even lost once to his former team, which was an 11th seed, a team he couldn't get there but got there without him. But I still think he's a darn good coach because his teams are always relevant on the national stage. Just like Brad's teams have been.
 
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Future Insider
illini0440 said:
You must not see me post once a week telling people Tyler isn't going to be fired or demoted. But Why should he? We are 8th in PPG, top 20 in offensive efficiency and that's with career shooting lows from our guys. Offense was pretty good last year too. It's Tyler, Geoff and Brad collectively doing the heavy lifting on offense....Not just Tyler. Also Tyler is pretty cheap in terms of assistants and Brad isn't going to fire or demote his son and come home to Susan and deal with that lol
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It’s not a BU problem or TU problem with this offense. It’s a putting the ball in the basket problem. Not even convinced that the players on the team are a problem it’s just that for some reason the shots aren’t falling. When they do this is a top 10 team. I still think they could right this ship and make a run. However I do believe the dye has been cast in the water regarding some of these guys and their futures with the team.
 
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