I'm going to be real, if the Illini sign one more player with a last name ending in -ic, I am going to petition to add an -ic to the end of my username here.
Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread
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skyIdub
"I can't tell you. Secret."
Yep just an old man game with a deep bag.
He’s going to be so good off screens and pnr
ptgrd23
- orange county CA
Pretty crazy. For B10 58 players returned to their team or 3.2 players per team. I think they are lagging on Illinois - Tomas, Kylan, Jake, Ben, Jaksys Ty should be 6.
MSU and Purdue are staying with old model with highest retention.
You're missing Andrej and he's definitely starting.most startsearly season)
Boswell
Rodgers
T. Ivisic
Petrovic
Mirkovic (otherwise it's Hummer)
next 3-4:
Z. Ivisic
Hummer
Lee
Davis
biggest surprises?:
Wagler
Lee
Mirkovic
No way. Smith might average 10 APG next year. I'd be really happy with Petro averaging 6 next year.
And let's not forget Boswell. Ending the season probably averaging around 4.5 APG
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Interesting. 106 early entries. Anyone know how many NON-early entries are likely to be drafted in the 1-2 rounds? seems like there will be boatloads of undrafted players this year
ptgrd23
- orange county CA
They are not a charitable deduction but they could be a valid business expense if you can prove that your business got reasonable value for using the players Name Image and Likeness. Remember the Illini players last season posting that they were at Car dealer helping sell cars. I think IRS will look closely at these dealsGenerally, no, because they are intended to benefit private individuals ($ to players) rather than public interests.
IRS memorandum concludes NIL collectives are not tax exempt | Nixon Peabody LLP
The IRS General Counsel found that name, image, and likeness (NIL) collectives do not qualify for tax exempt status under 501(c)(3).www.nixonpeabody.com
I wonder if NIL deal would have to be direct between player and business (not thru NIL collective). Think Nike endorsement.
Indy had mentioned Luka and I have watched him a bit. I think he looks very good and Indy had given a "Shhhh!" Gif about him. I if we add another player it is this guy! I really like his game and release on his jump shot.
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You have your own nobody? I thought that was frowned upon. LOL
splitter
- and not Nebraska
Are they technically allowed to contribute a winter coat or a used refrigerator?
IlliniwekKDR
- Colorado Springs, CO
Yea, but his name ends in ac, not ic. Not sure he's a take.
FightinIllini30
Future insider
Yeah that’s not happening I’m sorry. ILL
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
Is the framework under which the NCAA is analyzing those things public knowledge?
Tomi is the first player I've ever heard of being "ruled" an older class upon entering college. The rules always used to be an analysis of whether a European pro team had paid a guy a "salary" beyond basic cost of living, with some fudge factor to have a kid "pay back" some amount to true it up. But it was very much under the theory that if you were a professional basketball player you were not college eligible, period.
I really like the idea of a class-based analysis that puts Europeans where they "belong" in terms of the time they've been playing paid basketball at a post-youth level, but I have not seen a single thing either 1. saying that's actually what they're doing or 2. describing how they are doing that analysis
(And of course it all begs the question of why American pros, especially ones that fail to make NBA rosters, can't come back to access NIL millions. What's the difference between the Adriatic League and the G League? There isn't one.)
His game would be perfect for this team.
Yes I think for the kinds of deals where the student athlete is appearing in ads or doing promotional events this is almost certainly being written off as a business expense (advertising).They are not a charitable deduction but they could be a valid business expense if you can prove that your business got reasonable value for using the players Name Image and Likeness. Remember the Illini players last season posting that they were at Car dealer helping sell cars. I think IRS will look closely at these deals
I wonder if NIL deal would have to be direct between player and business (not thru NIL collective). Think Nike endorsement.
Once that box is opened, where does it logically stop? The NCAA has been losing every fight in court when it comes to eligibility. It might be that we accept the decision now, but fight it later just so our guy will be ready for the season.
There is no official guidance that I've seen that 1 year of paid euro ball equals one year of service in the NCAA. For once we are pushing the envelope and successfully doing it, but when it's so grey, I have concerns that the NCAA decides to take a stand and we get caught in the crossfire. We have a lot of eggs in a lot of European baskets.
If a "big fish" was to become available, Illinois could "probably" get the money, but it would take some "begging" by Brad. Who would you consider a possible "big fish" in that scenario? Jamir Watkins? Dame Sarr? Luka Bogavac? Someone else you can name?
What if a "small fish" was to become available? Does Illinois have enough money left to sign the smaller fish? What required dollar amount would make that potential signee a small fish? Could/Should Brad do just a bit of begging for some lesser amount of funds to sign a non-superstar?
In your opinion, how much would it cost to sign one of Elon Jr Guard TK Simpkins, UC San Diego Sr Guard Tyler McGhie, SIU Sr Guard Ali Dibba, and/or UT San Antonio Sr Guard Damari Monsanto? I can see valid (and different) reasons for the Illini to add one of these players, but I have no idea what the "asking price" would be for each. [I personally think that the Illini need one more SG to fill out their roster for 25-26. More so than a PG, a SF, a PF, or a Center.]
Last question: If you add up the dollars that Illinois "spent" to retain Tomi, Boswell, Rodgers, Humrichous, Davis, and Jakstys, PLUS the money paid to incoming freshmen Mirkovic, Lee, and Wagler, PLUS the money paid to transfers Big Z, Petrovic, and Stojakovic, what would that TOTAL dollar amount be? (Ballpark figure perhaps?) It would be interesting to me to know how much Illinois has spent for that 12-man roster. Thanks in advance for your best guess on that sum. And thanks for your opinions on Simpkins/McGhie/Dibba/Monsanto.
sacraig
- The desert
And, as we all know, $4M/year is barely enough to live.
sacraig
- The desert
Michelangelo is the best TMNT.
In regard to the Harmon role that you mention, I always thought that 6'4" Jr. Guard Jemel Jones (a Chicago native) of Cal State Bakersfield could've fit that role perfectly for the Illini. I understand that people on this site didn't like his funky form on his jumper, but the numbers were there! This past season, Jones averaged 18.9 points/3.6 rebounds, and 2.1 assists while shooting 47.8% on FGs, including 35.2% on 3-pointers, and 85.7% on FTs. But Jones has now transferred to New Mexico State. I would be interested in knowing how much money Jones received from NMU for his transfer there?
1. We aren't in on any of the guys you mentioned. I think the only big fish would be Boogie just because of the previous relationship.
2. Gotta remember what might be a small fish to us could be a bigger fish to other programs. More money from them if they value him more.
3. No idea. I could see us offering someone like the guys you mentioned a couple hundred thousand. But is that enough?
4. Rough estimate for this year's roster 8 mil. Give or take a mil
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
I've got concerns about the NCAA trying to draw a line here too.
In terms of losing in court, it has all been questions of eligibility that are arbitrary or inconsistently applied to particular players. I don't think antitrust law stands for the proposition that LeBron James must be allowed to play in the NCAA after his career is over.
I think if they said something like, you have to be academically eligible, enrolled as a full time student, between the ages of 17 and 24, and you only get 5 seasons to play, I don't see why that would have any legal troubles, those being clear and bona fide qualifications that apply equally to everybody.
That's quite radically different than the current rules though, with American pros coming back being the most obvious new talent source. How THAT gets prevented if European pros are allowed in I don't know. Could major college basketball fold in under the NBAPA in a similar fashion to how minor leagues are now part of the MLB union?
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