Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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NarrowJ
Illini2010-11 said:
The DIA is on the hook for the cost of tuition as well as room and board in most cases for athletes on scholarship (not sure why so many are insistent that full ride scholarship athletes don't get room and board covered in their packet), which is generally separate from the university. The cost comes from there. The university is not actually paying the costs at all.

If all 300+ student athletes had full scholarships including room and board like football players, you are looking at over $15M in annual costs that has to come from the DIA budget. That is no drop in the bucket like some are claiming.
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I think a lot of you are getting lost in the weeds here.

The discussion was originally about giving a single walk-on basketball player one of the (now) 15 available scholarships, not tennis or golf or badminton or even football, but rather one singular walk-on basketball player.
 
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Perry Range's Van
We need to do a debrief with the Cardinals.. Need to know how they got through the pope's handlers to get a commitment. We could use some lessons!
 
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Illini2010-11
NarrowJ said:
I think a lot of you are getting lost in the weeds here.

The discussion is about giving a single walk-on basketball player one of the (now) 15 available scholarships, not tennis or golf or badminton, basketball. One player.
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Someone mentioned earlier that we could easily afford to offer full scholarships for all student athletes, and that is clearly not the case. Now we are talking about opportunity costs for these two positons on basketball team. Should we be spending $50-100K on these two "walk on" positions or allocate elsewhere in the overall program? I believe we should consider on a case by case basis rather than always allocating the money to these two positions. There are other areas in the DIA where there is better bang for buck, IMO.
 
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Krombopulos_Michael
Joel Goodson said:
I miss the freaking out posts
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Cottage cheese talk anyone?
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Keisersose
One of my sons is heading to UIUC as a FR this fall. When he got his financial statement or whatever, it estimates 38k per year before any scholarships or other aid. That’s tuition, room, board, estimates for books and miscellaneous expenses. This son only applied to Illinois and had no interest in anywhere else. I’m so proud that he’s truly orange and blue through and through.

When comparing the projected Illinois costs to what we’ve seen his peers and a family member get quoted by other 4 year institutions (both in state and out of state), Illinois is absolutely a great value for someone that needs a four year degree to achieve their educational and career goals.
 
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splitter
Illini2010-11 said:
Someone mentioned earlier that we could easily afford to offer full scholarships for all student athletes, and that is clearly not the case. Now we are talking about opportunity costs for these two positons on basketball team. Should we be spending $50-100K on these two "walk on" positions or allocate elsewhere in the overall program? I believe we should consider on a case by case basis rather than always allocating the money to these two positions. There are other areas in the DIA where there is better bang for buck, IMO.
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Take for instance the 89 Illini who were all from the state of Illinois, does that mean the DIA got a better ROI than a team of recruits all from other states? What about other countries?

Rhetorical question so please don't spend three pages discussing this.

Also /S
 
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DICKnaggie
Keisersose said:
One of my sons is heading to UIUC as a FR this fall. When he got his financial statement or whatever, it estimates 38k per year before any scholarships or other aid. That’s tuition, room, board, estimates for books and miscellaneous expenses. This son only applied to Illinois and had no interest in anywhere else. I’m so proud that he’s truly orange and blue through and through.

When comparing the projected Illinois costs to what we’ve seen his peers and a family member get quoted by other 4 year institutions (both in state and out of state), Illinois is absolutely a great value for someone that needs a four year degree to achieve their educational and career goals.
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Congratulations! My son is enrolled as a freshman for next year as well. It will be great to have him on campus with me. He's really excited to be at UIUC.
 
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skyIdub
hoopsfan47 said:
Not close to being true. Tuition at UIUC annually is far more than 14-18k and is likely more than that at 97% of Div.1 schools. Tuition alone for out of state students, which most of the hoops players are indeed, is 37,000. Add in room and board and you are over 50,000 or 200,000 per year. Good private schools, such as Ivy, Stanford, Notre Dame, Rice, etc. are about $10,000 more per year. There are some colleges where a student can expect costs to exceed $100,000 annually.
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Your math is so butchered it’s beyond ridiculous. No one is paying $800,000 for four years at UIUC.

Unless they are living in a mansion with servants driving them to class in a gold plated carriage pulled by Lippizaner Stallions eating caviar and weekending on a yacht in the Caribbean.
 
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WolfpackIllini
Illinifun said:
My niece is at UIUC right now and she is on the hook for 70,000 a year. That is of course including R&B.
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When I went to UIUC, my Dad said he'd pay half of my schooling (tuition, R&B, books). I worked every minute of summer break at about 150% of minimum wage and came up with my half. How would that work today? Let's say summer break is 3 months / 12 weeks, effective minimum wage is, what, $12 (?) So if I were taking my Dad's deal today, I could come up with: 12 weeks x 40 hr/wk x (1.5 x $12/hr) = $8,540. So a year at UIUC (tuition, R&B, books) would have to be $17,000 to make this work.

Another frame of reference: at that time, a year at UIUC (tuition, R&B, books) was less than 25% of the starting salary in engineering. Granted, demand for engineers was very high (nearly all grads had jobs lined up at graduation), and engineering salaries were about 20% higher than the next best degree (accounting, iirc). Nevertheless, that would imply the annual cost of UIUC was under 50% of the starting salaries for most (employable!) degrees.

My middle son graduated in ME from UNR (Nevada Reno, a lower but rising tier 1 school). Annual cost is about 25k, and local starting ME salaries are about 70k, but you have to hustle to find a good job. Star CS grads with experience can start up to 150k.
 
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FreshlySqueezed
WolfpackIllini said:
When I went to UIUC, my Dad said he'd pay half of my schooling (tuition, R&B, books). I worked every minute of summer break at about 150% of minimum wage and came up with my half. How would that work today? Let's say summer break is 3 months / 12 weeks, effective minimum wage is, what, $12 (?) So if I were taking my Dad's deal today, I could come up with: 12 weeks x 40 hr/wk x (1.5 x $12/hr) = $8,540. So a year at UIUC (tuition, R&B, books) would have to be $17,000 to make this work.

Another frame of reference: at that time, a year at UIUC (tuition, R&B, books) was less than 25% of the starting salary in engineering. Granted, demand for engineers was very high (nearly all grads had jobs lined up at graduation), and engineering salaries were about 20% higher than the next best degree (accounting, iirc). Nevertheless, that would imply the annual cost of UIUC was under 50% of the starting salaries for most (employable!) degrees.

My middle son graduated in ME from UNR (Nevada Reno, a lower but rising tier 1 school). Annual cost is about 25k, and local starting ME salaries are about 70k, but you have to hustle to find a good job. Star CS grads with experience can start up to 150k.
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I'm not sure when you went, but my experience is similar. I graduated in 2004. I am an actuary and my best friend's a mechanical engineer. We had identical starting salaries and our annual in-state tuition/R&B/books was slightly less than 25% of our starting salary.
 
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ptgrd23
I live in SoCal and my son is waitlisted at Illinois. He is an A/B student, 35 ACT and played football 4 years.

Univ of CA does not take ACT/SAT scores so he cannot get into UC Berkley, UCLA etc,

He enrolled at Marquette for next year at $72k year.
 
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