Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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Bucktown
illiniwil said:
Let's see Ben play 12-18 minutes a game, guard the other teams 4,
rebound effectively (4 per game), get on the floor for a few loose
balls and shoot 28% from 3 (but only after doing the other things
that help the team) Then he'll help the team and earn some fan respect.
*see Lucas Johnson
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If I had to rank favorite Illinois players who weren't consistent starters, I don't know many who'd by higher than Lucas Johnson.
 
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billybaroo
the juiceman cometh said:
I agree that BH is not good at turning the ball over which seems to be a very cherry-picked way of justifying his play time. So I do not think it's accurate to say I agree with the premise, which appears to be that "it was justifiable that BH played starter's minutes because he did not turn the ball over."

My take on BH is this: his play wasn't has bad as most people on here make out, but it also wasn't as good as you seem to want to argue. His play was consistent with his decreased role and playing time down the stretch. He's a candidate for big improvement this year. But if he doesn't improve, he should play fewer minutes.

BH was brought in primarily to score efficiently. He didn't do that. His 3pt % was OK. Not great. Not good. Not bad. Not terrible. It was acceptable. I don't think anyone believes it is what the coaching staff hoped for when they brought him in. His 2pt% was BAD. On the team the only two players with worse 2pt% were Cary Booth and AJ Redd. His FT% was also below average for what you'd expect from a shooter (and in fact 6 percentage points below the team average).

I think BH played the amount of time he played because if he ever had turned that corner it would have been a game-changer. BH starting to drill 40% of his 3pt attempts could have been the one thing that would have turned that team into a legit Final Four contender. I think BU kept playing BH in the hopes he'd take that leap at some point. It was a risk that I know a lot of people on here wish BU hadn't taken. I actually think it was worth it, even though it never panned out.
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I was so close to replying to this post earlier with "This board is way too civil today. I will come back later." Had it teed up and everything.

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illinifan1987
NarrowJ said:
I agree that Tyson will have a big bounce back season. There’s a ton of truth in the idea that a lot of players really struggle the first season after transferring up a level. You see it everywhere, we saw it this season ourselves as well.

Tyson scored 16.2 ppg on 50/47/86 at Belmont and then shot 26% from 3 last year at UNC. He shot 47% the year prior on volume, which is incredible.

Could you imagine if Ben shot 26% last year instead of the slightly above average 34.3% he ended up at? (before you reply, note that power conf teams shot 33.6% overall from 3 so I’m not wrong there).

Tyson will bounce back and have a nice season. I expect the same from Ben although with Mirk I expect it to be in a reduced role, which will benefit him anyway (and us as well, so we don’t have to have collective toddler tantrums about his playing time).
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mysterio2525
NarrowJ said:
Then ask Brad if he likes players who don't turn the ball over

Nearly 1000 minutes, only 17 turnovers

Why isn't anyone allowed to say Ben is good at something, anything, just one thing? And yes, I think that is why he played so much: Brad trusts him

And I will die on that hill
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Because he not a ball handler. Not hard to understand. Great he didn't turn it over when he he just had to do a small hand off to a guy cutting in front of him and not actually make precision pass (like tomi, kj, and will were asked to do) .

He came here to be the starting 4 because he could shoot and didn't do that. He didn't even seem like he could get his shot off in many games, most games against good competition because he has a solid release. He literally shot us out of several wins costing us seeding..Plus he couldn't rebound at all despite being 6'9.
 
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NarrowJ
mysterio2525 said:
Because he not a ball handler. Not hard to understand. Great he didn't turn it over when he he just had to do a small hand off to a guy cutting in front of him and not actually make precision pass (like tomi, kj, and will were asked to do) .

He came here to be the starting 4 because he could shoot and didn't do that. He didn't even seem like he could get his shot off in many games, most games against good competition because he has a solid release. He literally shot us out of several wins costing us seeding..Plus he couldn't rebound at all despite being 6'9.
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He was 1st or 3rd (depending on source, qualification threshold) in the B1G including all players, high usage, low usage, everyone in turnover rate

Even with some shooting woes, he shot better than the power conference average of 33.6%

I made no argument regarding rebounding, he's not a plus rebounder and everyone knows that

You can't say even one positive thing about Ben Humrichous or you will get murdered on here, goodness
 
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the juiceman cometh
NarrowJ said:
He was 1st or 3rd (depending on source, qualification threshold) in the B1G including all players, high usage, low usage, everyone in turnover rate

Even with some shooting woes, he shot better than the power conference average of 33.6%

I made no argument regarding rebounding, he's not a plus rebounder and everyone knows that

You can't say even one positive thing about Ben Humrichous or you will get murdered on here, goodness
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That's not what's happening. People are arguing against the importance of a statistic you are placing a high amount of importance on. That's all.
 
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NarrowJ
the juiceman cometh said:
That's not what's happening. People are arguing against the importance of a statistic you are placing a high amount of importance on. That's all.
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It’s certainly happening

But also it is my opinion that they are wrong on the importance of turnovers in the game of basketball
 
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RabidDawgClassic
the juiceman cometh said:
That's not what's happening. People are arguing against the importance of a statistic you are placing a high amount of importance on. That's all.
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NarrowJ said:
It’s certainly happening

But also it is my opinion that they are wrong on the importance of turnovers in the game of basketball
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Come on… you two are among my favorite posters on this board. It pains me to see you fighting. Especially over… uh… what is you’re fighting about again???

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GoodePodzMelendez
NarrowJ said:
I think most in the know have alluded to us maybe looking for a backup combo guard

We were after Sellers for that role but he ended up at Providence (because they were able to sell him on a larger role there)

With Petro/Bam/AS and also Ty/Jake/BLee in the mix there to possibly back them up, we currently don't have a sell for another 30 minute per game guy

There are still a few guys who fit that mold who are available, but not sure how serious we are about pursuing at this point

If we don't add anyone, I think its likely because the staff feels that second group (Ty/Jake/BLee) can get the job done
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I believe you are correct. We have 9 deep or 10 depending on Lee. We really have limited minutes in the back court/SF position with As/Bam,Petro,Jake,Ty and Lee. It would be hard to squeeze anyone else in. We have similar with the front court with the Twins, BH, Mirk with minutes for Ty as well. I like the balance we have here. One more thing Narrow, you have great in site on here. Just saying
 
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GoodePodzMelendez
NarrowJ said:
It’s certainly happening

But also it is my opinion that they are wrong on the importance of turnovers in the game of basketball
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For someone averaging 25+ minutes a game, he only had 17 turns all season. Even if Hummer improves just 10%, his 3point shooting will jump to near 38% which for a stretch 4, would make him more dangerous. I was one of the biggest BH basher last year but I am hoping that a year within the system and just moderate improvement, he could help create more spacing as I would love Bam, AS and Petro driving and either scoring or dishing.
 
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