Pregame: Illinois at Ohio State, Tuesday, December 9th, 6:30pm CT, Peacock/YTTV

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jrichisamazing
doowink said:
I would be thrilled if we went 7-3 in these road games, satisfied with 6-4...and somewhat disappointed at 5-5
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You would be disappointed at going 15-5 in the B1G?

Right now Torvik projects Michigan to win the B1G at 17-3. Then a 3 way tie at 14-6 between us, Purdue, and MSU.
 
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BuckFan12
The Schott unfortunately (for us) isn't too tough of a venue to play. If it's close late the crowd will get into the game. But it really doesn't come close to selling out until after football season and weekend games typically have the best attendance.

Bruce
Mobley
Royal
Noel
Tilly

Is a very very good starting 5. Bynum is young but talented off the bench. After that though there is a significant drop off. You guys are a lot deeper and your length on the wing will create some advantageous matchups when Bruce and Mobley are in together. Tilly seems like the X factor when he's on offensively and finding shooters our offense is near the top of the BIG imo. I think it'll be a close game but I'm not confident the bucks pull it out our defense leaves a lot to be desired.
 
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altgeld88
jrichisamazing said:
Also the general goal at the beginning of the conference schedule is to go undefeated at home and 5-5 on the road. This year IMO the home slate is very manageable, but the road games are shaping up to be really tough.

@tOSU
@PSU
@Iowa
@NW
@Purdue
@Neb
@MSU
@USC
@UCLA
@Maryland

I think most would agree that tOSU is one the 5 easier road games. So in a way, we would already fall behind the 8-ball with a loss.
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doowink said:
I would be thrilled if we went 7-3 in these road games, satisfied with 6-4...and somewhat disappointed at 5-5
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Winning on the road in conference is difficult. 14-6 usually wins the conference or a share of the title. Sometimes 13-7.

[EDIT: Someone beat me to it. And if Michigan goes 17-3 that will be well beyond the mean for the title winner's W-L record]]
 
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IlliniFan42
altgeld88 said:
Winning on the road in conference is difficult. 14-6 usually wins the conference or a share of the title. Sometimes 13-7.

[EDIT: Someone beat me to it. And if Michigan goes 17-3 that will be well beyond the mean for the title winner's W-L record]]
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I don't think that holds anymore due to the PAC-12 expansion and imbalanced schedules. 14-6 last got a share of winning the conference in 2019-20, and 13-7 never won it. I think 15-5 from now on is the minimum to contend. The disparity between the top and bottom of the conference has just gotten so wide compared to when the conference was smaller and pre-NIL.

Since the 20-game expansion, the winning records have been:

16-4, 14-6, 14-3 (thanks covid, should've been 16-4), 15-5 (first year of NIL), 15-5, 17-3, 17-3 (first year with PAC-12).
 
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eas23
BuckFan12 said:
The Schott unfortunately (for us) isn't too tough of a venue to play. If it's close late the crowd will get into the game. But it really doesn't come close to selling out until after football season and weekend games typically have the best attendance.

Bruce
Mobley
Royal
Noel
Tilly

Is a very very good starting 5. Bynum is young but talented off the bench. After that though there is a significant drop off. You guys are a lot deeper and your length on the wing will create some advantageous matchups when Bruce and Mobley are in together. Tilly seems like the X factor when he's on offensively and finding shooters our offense is near the top of the BIG imo. I think it'll be a close game but I'm not confident the bucks pull it out our defense leaves a lot to be desired.
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On the flipside, our current winning of streak of....one...matches the longest we've ever had in that arena.

Year over year results shouldn't matter, particularly in this era of player turnover, but Illinois has a very poor history playing in Columbus.
 
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RabidDawgClassic
IlliniFan42 said:
Since the 20-game expansion, the winning records have been:

16-4, 14-6, 14-3 (thanks covid, should've been 16-4), 15-5 (first year of NIL), 15-5, 17-3, 17-3 (first year with PAC-12).
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What’s always bugged me about 2021 was Michigan just dismissing those three missing games as “teams we would’ve beaten anyway.” But by that logic, Wisconsin needn’t have had to play their home finale the following year because they should’ve beaten Nebraska.
 
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BuckFan12
eas23 said:
On the flipside, our current winning of streak of....one...matches the longest we've ever had in that arena.

Year over year results shouldn't matter, particularly in this era of player turnover, but Illinois has a very poor history playing in Columbus.
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Fair Point haha It's a tough league so road games in the big 10 in general are hard to win. I do think the atmosphere the last two or 3 years in the Schott is night and day from what it used to be though. If you guys struggle it will have more to do with execution then the half empty arena LOL. But I agree we've played you guys fairly well historically at home. I was in the building for the Sylvester shot. Best game I've ever been to.
 
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altgeld88
IlliniFan42 said:
I don't think that holds anymore due to the PAC-12 expansion and imbalanced schedules. 14-6 last got a share of winning the conference in 2019-20, and 13-7 never won it. I think 15-5 from now on is the minimum to contend. The disparity between the top and bottom of the conference has just gotten so wide compared to when the conference was smaller and pre-NIL.

Since the 20-game expansion, the winning records have been:

16-4, 14-6, 14-3 (thanks covid, should've been 16-4), 15-5 (first year of NIL), 15-5, 17-3, 17-3 (first year with PAC-12).
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My bad. I was thinking 13-5 from the Before Times. I'm with you on 15-5.

17-3 would be a serious outlier. It sometimes happens. I wonder how Michigan will hold up in the grind of Jan/Feb.
 
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IlliniFanTX
RabidDawgClassic said:
What’s always bugged me about 2021 was Michigan just dismissing those three missing games as “teams we would’ve beaten anyway.” But by that logic, Wisconsin needn’t have had to play their home finale the following year because they should’ve beaten Nebraska.
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To be fair to Michigan (a sentence I hope to never write again), the league was just going by winning percentage because what else were they supposed to do... The most fair thing in my mind would've been to extrapolate their winning percentage (.824) over their three remaining games which would have given them 16.472 win and 3.528 losses (which still puts them in first place, unfortunately).

Now what I think we ALL would argue is that just 1 loss in those 3 games gives them the exact winning percentage as we had, which makes it feel very stupid to use winning percentage as the metric when there wasn't an even amount of games.
 
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Curbelo Fanboy
We typically play like excrement in Columbus. Also, ever since the BIG went to these early December games, we have basically sucked at those. Hopefully Saturday's great second half is more of a beginning of a trend than just a blip on the radar.
 
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doowink
jrichisamazing said:
You would be disappointed at going 15-5 in the B1G?

Right now Torvik projects Michigan to win the B1G at 17-3. Then a 3 way tie at 14-6 between us, Purdue, and MSU.
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We would have to go 10-0 at home (perfect)...that would include knocking off Michigan...not saying we can't do that, but with the balance in the B10 as it is there's a good chance we will lose a home game....maybe 2...will be surprised if the winner of the B10 has only 3 loses
 
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mattcoldagelli
doowink said:
We would have to go 10-0 at home (perfect)...that would include knocking off Michigan...not saying we can't do that, but with the balance in the B10 as it is there's a good chance we will lose a home game....maybe 2...will be surprised if the winner of the B10 has only 3 loses
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We also have just not played that well at home in the last 4-5 years.
 
#73      
IlliniFan42
If we are the team we want to be, we should crush the Buckeyes. There is nothing impressive about this Ohio State team. No nonsense about conference games being weird and all that. We should be able to go in there and win by at least 10. Not saying I'd be disappointed by a win of any size, but we're pretty healthy now and this Ohio State team is here to be beaten.
 
#74      
Oldskoolkoach
Royale 29, Mobley 20, and Thornton 20 gave us a game last February. Shut down 1 of the 3, we win easily. Let them hang around, or get going early it might be a bad start to B10
 
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