Yes. But not a good one. Which is why the NCAA finally did away with RPI. Miami (oh) is 28th in RPI. Big difference eh?
Illinois #10 in 2/23 AP Poll
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Not really when you like at the teams they have played, they haven't played anyone good at all. But yeah it's a metric just not a good enough one for them.
So in the vein where it absolutely is a metric? Because chocolate covered grasshoppers are most definitely food, even if a lot of us think it's gross (a lot of people think sushi is gross too!)
I think the bigger point here is that their record is definitely a metric and is definitely being utilized. Some people (Gritty) don't feel like it's being utilized enough, some think it's being utilized too much. And that's fine. I think the point of the AP is, in a sense, to see how much a certain type of person (college basketball media member) thinks that metric (and many others) matters.
Plenty of voters have Miami ranked way higher than where analytics based metrics have them, even as high as #8 according to Brice Cherry of the Waco Tribune-Herald. Others don't have them ranked at all. We're all going to have disagreements on which metric should weight or should not weight, and that's OK. That's actually exactly what the AP poll is supposed to do. I feel like people get too bogged down on thinking "AP voters should vote x" but that's not really the point. There are going to be good voters, and bad voters, but mostly it's just voters that have different ideas on what matters. It's 100% a compilation of flawed subjective opinions on the rankings of teams. Does that make the AP Ranking itself flawed? YES of course! But the idea is that by averaging out 60 different opinions from across the country you'll get some rough approximation of what the people who cover college basketball think the rankings of these teams should be. For whatever that's worth. Which might not be a lot. That's for you, the consumer, to decide.
Hoopster
- Peoria, IL in a van down by the river
Find someone who loves you as much as Seth Davis loves the Illini.
Goillinikobd
- Southeastern US
Whoops, Seth Davis has us 4!
Illini2010-11
- Sugar Grove
They are likely in the 10-12 range. No chance they go anywhere close to 15 seed.
Statistically speaking with only one quad 2 win, there is a 22% chance they do wind up with a 15 seed. But most likely its a 11 - 13 seed. Remember, committee doesn't look at losses unless they are quad 3 or 4 losses. You think they beat Akron if they play in the conference tourney?
Ah well, a guy can dream...
Illini2010-11
- Sugar Grove
I hope not. I always root for John Groce teams, unless they play us.
I think it would be a coin flip game though.
It should be. Unfortunately if they lose their conference championship they likely don't get in the tournament. Instead a Power 4 team with a conference record of 500 or worse will get in. But for sure punish a team that wins almost all of their games.
They haven't played any quad 1 games and have only played one singular quad 2 game
The highest rated team they've beaten all season is 73rd in Torvik, 61st in NET, 68th in KP and their SOS is 355th out of 365 teams
Despite being undefeated, they're not even the highest rated team in their own conference, which is Akron
The bubble teams in major conferences are far more battle-tested and just flat out better teams (for example, if Miami OH were to play UCLA they'd likely be a double digit underdog). Case in point, they're only a 3.3 point favorite in their upcoming game against Kent St who lost to Purdue by 40 points.
While team cannot do anything about the quality of other teams in their conference (other than move), they are in control of their non-conference schedule.
IMO, it’s not so much about the NCAA punishing a team like Miami as much as it is about not having two teams from a weak conference in the tourney if a team like Miami cannot win its weak conference tourney.
By not scheduling at least one tough non-con game, a team like Miami gives the committee nothing to judge them by.
IMO, it’s not so much about the NCAA punishing a team like Miami as much as it is about not having two teams from a weak conference in the tourney if a team like Miami cannot win its weak conference tourney.
By not scheduling at least one tough non-con game, a team like Miami gives the committee nothing to judge them by.
I feel like if miami can go undefeated they deserve at least a 10 seed.
I’m a huge efficiency metric guy. But sometimes, teams that just win deserve some credit beyond measured statistics.
Notice I’m not saying they deserve a 4 seed or something, but them going undefeated would be one of the most impressive feats a team has done all year. They deserve benefit of the doubt in terms of a bump or two seed lines.
That being said, I’m not expecting it to happen. They’ve gotten incredibly lucky in at least 3 or 4 games. Buzzer beater / other team collapsing last minute type lucky.
Think if UCLA won about 4 games the way they did against us. That’s how Miami has partially gotten to this point.
Anyways, super fun storyline, another reason why CBB is the GOAT sports league.
I’m a huge efficiency metric guy. But sometimes, teams that just win deserve some credit beyond measured statistics.
Notice I’m not saying they deserve a 4 seed or something, but them going undefeated would be one of the most impressive feats a team has done all year. They deserve benefit of the doubt in terms of a bump or two seed lines.
That being said, I’m not expecting it to happen. They’ve gotten incredibly lucky in at least 3 or 4 games. Buzzer beater / other team collapsing last minute type lucky.
Think if UCLA won about 4 games the way they did against us. That’s how Miami has partially gotten to this point.
Anyways, super fun storyline, another reason why CBB is the GOAT sports league.
I think this time of year (and don't fact check me with actual stats please) a lot of teams succumb to the long season and lay an egg. Makes me think we have a chance against Michigan despite how poorly Illinois played to allow UCLA to come back from down 23.
The highs this season have been very high. Beautiful basketball and lots of good surprises. Really hoping they play through this stretch and get some confidence going into the post season that they can finish games.
The highs this season have been very high. Beautiful basketball and lots of good surprises. Really hoping they play through this stretch and get some confidence going into the post season that they can finish games.
What does battle tested mean? They have beaten everyone they have played. And what do lines have to with it? I don't think Indiana has any better chance than Miami in the tournament. And Indians has had all year to prove themselves and haven't. But I get it, you look at metrics and have decided who is worthy.
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
If they are actually undefeated come Selection Sunday that seems like a classic "there's no good answer so just chuck 'em in an 8-9" scenario.
Why would you ever assume that? No way that happens if the 7th winningest coach in Illinois basketball history has anything to say about it.
It depends a lot on how much the committee likes their shiny new WAB toy. Miami is 28th in WAB (borderline 7/8 seed), and 70th in efficiency (not at large quality, in the range of a 12 seed auto bid). So anywhere in that range wouldn't surprise me too much.
8-9 Miami-off is on the table, though.
8-9 Miami-off is on the table, though.
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
God, Miami (OH) vs Miami (FL) as the tournament kickoff at 11AM Thursday would be phenomenal programming.
I find it mildly depressing that he’s even that high on the list. Those years were bleak; as we all know full well.
What is the total number of Illinois basketball coaches?
Underwood is our 19th head coach (if you count interim Jamall Walker as #18.
Does it make you feel better that he's 13th (out of 19) in winning%? And that 5 of the 6 guys worse than him in that metric coached less than 30 games?
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