He just averaged 10.5 pts 5.5 rebounds, 1 to, and 50% from the field. He wasn’t perfect, but those numbers and his defense is better than a good player here and there.
Michigan 84, Illinois 70 Postgame
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and this is after a really awful loss- even more disconcerting
I miss Juwan Howard
Oh, just found this in The Score app.
+/- for a single game is generally considered meaningless. Maybe it's meaningful for a whole season. But there are much better stats out there, though defensive contributions are tough to measure. Here's Torvik's box score:
And here are the season averages:
I'd even take BPM with a big grain of salt (especially for one game), but based on that, Mirk and Ben played above average, while Keaton and Jake held their own. Bos was surprisingly acceptable. But Tomi was mediocre, Z was bad, and Drej was horrible.
All 9 Michigan basketball fans will love this
Ben is not my favorite player but I got a lot of respect for that foul at the end of the game to prevent the Michigan dunk. It was just nice to see a little bit of pride at the end of all of this.
Zorak
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I'm less upset than a lot of folks here. Michigan is better, and they proved it. I could have done without the wheels coming off in the second half, but the margin is ultimately not that important. Tip of the hat to Michigan and Morez, and I hope to never play them again. The UCLA and Wisconsin losses will prove far costlier than this one. As ever, this team can make the Final Four with the right match-ups, but they've played themselves into a really tough spot - probably going through a 1 and a 2 to try to get to Indy.
I totally agree. But to expect that kind of shooting over a 6 game stretch when succeeding next game the defense will get better is hard to fathom. In the 2005 championship game Illinois had a poor shooting night from behind the arc.
Tonight, Michigan was clearly the better team in all areas. And they stuck it to us defensively all night. We could argue until the end of time as to why.
But there is no denying that.
The largers question is, how do we adjust? And what I can tell you is we really don't need much adjustment. We need to watch the film. Too much standing offensvely and no movement to the glass weakside.
Defensively, we have to (1) either force the dribble away from the lane OR (2) play zone.
Finally we didn't roll over. We had 30 rebounds and 12 FTs - we couldn't beat 14 of the 18 B1G teams with those numbers. We didn't move off the ball offensively. We had 9 (yes, 9) assists. Not certain what that was about.
Just curious — AFTER Duke, Michigan, Arizona — how many of these teams do you think have better wins?
UCONN: neutral Illinois, neutral BYU, neutral Florida, @Kansas, home St John’s
Houston: neutral Arkansas, home Texas Tech, @BYU
Florida: home Alabama, home Tennessee, @Vanderbilt
Iowa State: home Houston, home Kansas, @Purdue, neutral St John’s
Kansas: home Arizona, home Iowa State, home Houston, neutral Tennessee, @Texas Tech, home BYU
Gonzaga: neutral Alabama, neutral Kentucky
Purdue: @Alabama, @Nebraksa, neutral Texas Tech (also lost at home to Illinois)
Michigan State: @Purdue, home Illinois, home Arkansas, neutral North Carolina.
Illinois best wins:
home Texas Tech, @Purdue, @Nebraska, neutral Tennessee
So AT WORST ours is probably top 6-7 in the entire country? Pretty good?
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To be completely fair, AS was brought into be a primary scoring option on the perimeter and Wagler has been better than expected.
I think if you knew what you were getting in Wagler then you go with White who is more of a complimentary player that can play defense and off-ball on offense. Feel like Stojakovic has struggled to adapt to the role of playing more off ball.
Is there a reason Lee can’t pick up some minutes somewhere to spell the guys? We looked slow, unathletic, and out of shape tonight.
Michigan probably has the best road win resume. And Texas tech second with neutral Duke and road Zona - but obviously, that’s not really the same now.
But just shrugging off at Purdue and at Nebraska, and honestly Tennessee in Nashville is an example of not knowing what else is taking place throughout the country.
Which, to an extent, I get. It’s a lot to keep up with.
BU is on record now, per this postgame. He said he doesn't 'really care about the B1G title' he pays attention to 'analytics and the NCAA tournament.'
If he is hyper-focused on that, results matter. In essence..... When the rubber hits the road come the weeks after selection Sunday, we'll see what he's really made of as a coach.
If he is hyper-focused on that, results matter. In essence..... When the rubber hits the road come the weeks after selection Sunday, we'll see what he's really made of as a coach.
Michigan is the only team with more q1A wins than us
Duke has 6 and Arizona has 5
We have 6
So yes, good
And the 2022 team that ppl seem to think is so much tougher than this team bc it’s soft…had 4
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Bravo.
You are on a roll tonight and so correct. Michigan was quick, physical, and executed picks, slips, and plays very well. Their coach had them ready to play.
Yes. Keaton dropped 46pts for us to scrape out a win. Several other ranked teams went into Mackey this year and didn’t need a generational performance to eek out a win.
At worst top 7. At best top 5.
I think Kansas's are definitely better. Toss up between Iowa State's and UConn's.
I am 65 and retired. I spent my whole career workiing for the highest bidder. No regrets.
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