Illinois 80, Oregon 54 Postgame

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ChiefGritty
APS iMBA said:
Remember when Groce was fired, many on here wanted Altman as our HC? How's that lookin' now?
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I mean, for one thing Altman has been a terrific coach for a long time including the period since Groce was fired.

And of course Altman was purportedly the frontrunner to replace Self way back when. That would be a very interesting alternate universe to inhabit, almost as interesting as the one in which Kelvin Sampson had taken the job to replace Lon Kruger. (Jimmy Collins instead of Kruger, again, what does that future look like?)
 
#129      
jjv0004
I find it interesting that we beat a team we should beat by 26 points and there are only 5 pages of dialogue. We lost to a team we should lose to in Michigan by 14 and there are 22 pages. What does that say about us as a fan base or as a society? Way easier to complain in life I guess.
 
#130      
CrazedUIFan
This was a nice rebound game, but difficult to take away anything significant. Oregon’s style of play does not match up well against us. I will always enjoy a win though.
 
#131      
pruman91
Andre played great last night but the skill level of those guarding him last compared to the scUM , Wisky etc games was a noticable drop off , to me at least.....he abused the duck player from Ukraine numerous times , and I'm glad he did for sure......we need his A game every game that we play in the remaining schedule , including his defensive effort..............
 
#132      
Birdus
When this team goes in-out, their offense is much more effective. Against a team like Michigan it is extremely more difficult to do. 95% of all other matchups though, it will work.
 
#133      
awkwardpenguin
Remember when Groce was fired, many on here wanted Altman as our HC? How's that lookin' now?
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He has made more F4 and E8 than Brad... and hasn't had under a 20 win season since 2010...
 
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mysterio2525
APS iMBA said:
Remember when Groce was fired, many on here wanted Altman as our HC? How's that lookin' now?
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their entire team is injured. the guy won 20 games ever year except this year. there are a lot of bad "we should hire this guy" takes but Dana altman isn't one of them. this is coming from someone who didn't want him when the name came up originally but proof is there... the guy can coach.

oh yeah he does well in March as well.
 
#136      
wc_illini
Piotyr said:
Again with the revisionist history. Illinois shoots 3's a lot, which leads to the most efficient offense in basketball.

During the run in the last 10 minutes of the half, Illinois was 6-8 from 3 (opened 1-7). After they were up 26 in the second half, they missed 11 3's in a row before Redd made one at the end and the lead shrunk to...26.

It's a part of the offense, lots of open 3's, and lots of offensive rebounds. It works when they're getting rebounds, and they're getting rebounds.

Heck, even in the Michigan game, that was Michigan's second worst defensive game of the season.
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I agree about the 3s. Open looks from our better shooters (KW, JD, DM, and BH) are generally good shots regardless of the shot clock. T, Z, Bos, and AS are all in deep enough slumps that I wouldn't say the same for them, unless there are specific locations where they're better (corner?). Context is obviously important, like whether we should be bleeding the clock or attacking a guy in foul trouble, etc.

Where are you seeing that Michigan's second worst defensive game was against us? It wasn't a good one for them, but according to Torvik there were several that were worse.
 
#137      
RockfordIllini
mysterio2525 said:
their entire team is injured. the guy won 20 games ever year except this year. there are a lot of bad "we should hire this guy" takes but Dana altman isn't one of them. this is coming from someone who didn't want him when the name came up originally but proof is there... the guy can coach.

oh yeah he does well in March as well.
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Yeah. 3 sweet 16s, an elite 8 and a final four since he’s been with Oregon. He’s a great coach who’s had a great run and brought in a lot of talent.
 
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NarrowJ
mysterio2525 said:
their entire team is injured. the guy won 20 games ever year except this year. there are a lot of bad "we should hire this guy" takes but Dana altman isn't one of them. this is coming from someone who didn't want him when the name came up originally but proof is there... the guy can coach.

oh yeah he does well in March as well.
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Is this correct, what I'm looking at in his coaching record? Says he's only made the tournament 5x in last 10 seasons? And lots of very high preseason rankings where they ended the year unranked. I'm like you and my memory was he's had a lot of tournament success... maybe I'm just remembering the FF from 10 years ago?

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#139      
wc_illini
Torvik rates our Adjusted Offense/Defense at 119.3/81.0. Compared to our game against Michigan (127.0/107.0) and our season averages (132.5/97.6), our offense was actually a step down while our defense was way better. I'm not sure how much of the defensive improvement was due to us playing better vs Oregon just missing more shots than expected, but I'll take it.

On offense, most of our metrics were very similar to the UM game (similar EFG%, OR%, and FTR) except fewer turnovers. Torvik would have expected more of an improvement against a much weaker defense.
 
#140      
wc_illini
Is this correct, what I'm looking at in his coaching record? Says he's only made the tournament 5x in last 10 seasons? And lots of very high preseason rankings where they ended the year unranked. I'm like you and my memory was he's had a lot of tournament success... maybe I'm just remembering the FF from 10 years ago?

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Of those last 10, I count 5, plus they would've gone in the COVID year.
They had the FF plus two s16s
 
#142      
Illini2010-11
NarrowJ said:
Is this correct, what I'm looking at in his coaching record? Says he's only made the tournament 5x in last 10 seasons? And lots of very high preseason rankings where they ended the year unranked. I'm like you and my memory was he's had a lot of tournament success... maybe I'm just remembering the FF from 10 years ago?

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One of the seasons was the COVID year without the tourney (they won Pac-12 that year). The real problem was the general weakness of the Pac-12, which took away a lot of postseason opportunities. 20 wins when in the B1G is almost guaranteed a spot in the tourney. Look at 2017-18 and go 23-13 and not make tourney. Playing the Pac-12 did not help their SOS, and their chances at making the tourney in generally decent seasons.

This year is really their only really bad season in ages. He really has been a great coach for Oregon.
 
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NarrowJ
Illini2010-11 said:
One of the seasons was the COVID year without the tourney (they won Pac-12 that year). The real problem was the general weakness of the Pac-12, which took away a lot of postseason opportunities. 20 wins when in the B1G is almost guaranteed a spot in the tourney. Look at 2017-18 and go 23-13 and not make tourney. Playing the Pac-12 did not help their SOS, and their chances at making the tourney in generally decent seasons.

This year is really their only really bad season in ages. He really has been a great coach for Oregon.
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Yep. If he’s playing in a worse conference then he needs to win more games vs the inferior opponents. Thinking it through and I guess it’s just hard for me to give him a pass for not beating enough mediocre teams to get in. Mark Few does this with 100% success over the years. 🤷‍♂️
 
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Indy Illini Fan
ChiefGritty said:
I mean, for one thing Altman has been a terrific coach for a long time including the period since Groce was fired.

And of course Altman was purportedly the frontrunner to replace Self way back when. That would be a very interesting alternate universe to inhabit, almost as interesting as the one in which Kelvin Sampson had taken the job to replace Lon Kruger. (Jimmy Collins instead of Kruger, again, what does that future look like?)
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Isn’t this Altman’s first season at Oregon under 20 wins ?

He’s an elite coach … Just doesn’t have the horses this year …
 
#149      
pruman91
Indy Illini Fan said:
Credit where it’s due … He responded very well last night …

The number one thing is consistency … I do like Brad not playing him and Bam together … Think that’s helping …
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that was a concern I've had all season long.....I like having 3-4 options for pass outs when an Illini player drives to the rim.......

I really really do.......................
 
#150      
Orangetool
I'm not worried about Tomi.

We just need to have him find his rhythm and bring his best game, along with Andrej, in the coming weeks.
Each player has to find his best competitive groove and bring it each game to year end.
And stay healthy.

Just gotta peak right.
 
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