Wisconsin 91, Illinois 88 OT Postgame

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#376      
The lack of mental toughness all season long is beyond disappointing. Getting out rebounded by a team with very little size is disappointing. The defense completely folding is disappointing. And so on and so forth.

And Kylan Boswell has been an ATROCIOUS defender all season. He hasn’t slowed down anybody. And he was absolutely DESTROYED today.

This is just me stating my feelings. I don’t know where we go from here. It feels like that Donovan Dent layup changed the season.

Finally, Zvonimir’s defensive impact has REALLY disappeared in recent weeks.
 
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#378      
BU being so damn indignant when the reporter asked him a very reasonable question? The very next game? LOL! How's that working out for you.

How about addressing the question, then address it in practice to do better so you can hold onto big leads and finish out close games against very good teams--not the Maryland's NU's or Iowa's of the world.

Have the BU, the staff and players learn anything from their last game against Wisconsin? Same damn thing! Nothing!

Huge leads against UCLA and now Wisconsin (twice?), this organization still finds a way to lose the game.

For those who feel BU can do no wrong? Please open your eyes. He deserves the criticism just like he deserves the praise.

I would love for a reporter to ask him the "close games" question. Maybe our coach will be humbled and provide a transparent, let's-face-reality type of answer.

They are who they are--no magical transformation.

R1 win? Yes

R2 win? I am at 60 - 40% Yes, they will win. It was 85 - 15%, but since this team doesn't learn anything, I've changed my mind.

S16 win? Probably not now. The #2 seed should beat the #3 seed Illinois.

If they fail expectations that the coach put on his team in this year's tournament, then I think it's fair (even for the BU ardent supporters) to start questioning his coaching.
 
#380      
This team is going nowhere in the NCAAT again…we had a chance to have a couple great seasons after the Elite 8 run. Nothing since. BU needs to figure it out quick or else he’s out the door.
 
#382      
Absolutely on the bolded! This holier than thou segment of the fanbase is insufferable.

Appreciate the bright side, but it really is completely overshadowed by your spot on negatives. We have negative momentum going into the tournament, and all we hear from this staff and team is that we are aiming for championships. It becomes hollow and counterproductive when it reaches this point.
Here here on the bolded, as well. Spot on observation
 
#383      
Again Wisconsin proved that in today's game they were the tougher and grittier team. Illinois got a lead in both halves but could not maintain the lead. The 2 Wisconsin gtuards are very very good. I give credit to Wisconsin. And Illinois goes back to the drawing board. On a glass is half full concept. There is plenty of history of teams advancing very far in the NCAA tournament who flamed out early in the conference tournament.
I honestly think a lot of the time the D actually played well but it is so deflating to play D and hustle, play without fouling and then at multiple key moments with the game in balance have the refs blow calls and put 85% free throw shooters on the line over and over again. I mean i swear Kylan, Keaton, Z, Ben and Andre all had several awful calls where they wanted to fall to thier knees and throw their hands in the air and scream WTF REF! They were so frustrated and justifiably so. And then have to look at Boyd laughing about it while he and Blackwell score so many points from the line that shouldnt have ever been called. I dont know how you can stop those guys when they are getting whistles when they literally arent even touched and flop all over the place. It really is sad and deflating. I wouldve been tossed if i were Brad but at the end it was too late to get a T. These refs antipated so many fouls on or guys and it just takes the wind out of our sails bs guys that are so hard to stop.and then when you do a ref bails em out
 
#384      
You have to make 75%+ of your free throws to consistently win games. With all of these good shooters, I still don't understand why guys miss over half of their free throws. Is this something that the coaches just don't emphasize enough or care about? They need to concentrate on that in practice. Games are won or lost at the free throw line...despite the horrible officiating (and it was frankly one of the worst games of the season), we still could/should have won in regulation by MAKING SOME DAMN FREE THROWS!!!
 
#385      
A small detail perhaps overlooked about poor in game coaching- with about 4 minutes to go in OT, Brad sent Boswell to check in to the game, I assume to try and slow down one of their guards- even though he did have 4 fouls it was the right move. Instead he languished on the sideline for several more minutes because of the lack of stoppage in the game. Why not call a TO to get him in the game sooner??
Can add this to his historical lack of calling timely TO's to stop another teams run/momentum, lack of BLOBS and SLOBS, lack of other in game adjustments, and underperformance when it matters most of all, the NCAA tournament.
 
#387      
All season long we have heard "this game will tell us a lot about who we are." It has been emphatically answered over and over in the last month. Since the Mich St game this team went into a shell and has never returned. I have little faith they will suddenly catch fire against teams playing for their lives next week. We just don't have the mentality to compete with that. We just, demonstrably, do not.
 
#389      
I'm trying to keep this post a nice balance of "raw reaction" and "keeping a level head" ... we'll see how it goes, lol.

On the Bright Side
1. I really do think Wisconsin is good. They'll end up a #5 or #6 seed, but I just didn't think we played that poorly, and they look every part of a #2 or #3 seed recently. Of course, in such a hypothetical that would have been our Sweet Sixteen loss ... but I think talk of some surefire First Weekend exit is totally premature. Let's give them their due, regardless of how insufferable they might be.

2. I usually hate this line of thinking, but you at least have to always throw in a token comment about the silver lining of extra rest when you lose in the BTT. It's unclear if this group can have some light bulb moment with some of the issues, but I don't think it can hurt to have some time off and rest and regroup.

3. Great turnout by Illini fans. It should embarrass every single one of us if there is ever a BTT game of ours at the United Center that isn't a 2:1 crowd advantage for us at minimum, regardless of what other teams are in our session. People always talk about Chicago like it's this free-for-all melting pot of college sports allegiances, and that is indeed true to a certain extent. However, Illinois has like 220,000+ alumni in the Chicago Area, and the next closest Big Ten school has like 40,000. There might not be as many non-alum fans in Chicago who just choose Illinois because it's our state school (like me!!) as there are, say, non-alum Michigan fans in Detroit, but that doesn't matter ... we still have infinitely more of such fans in Chicago than any other school. Combine those together, and we are a very clear first among equals here, and the UC should always seem like our backyard ... and it did. So props to Illini Nation!

4. We are still going to be a top 3 seed, and we will avoid a #1 seed until the Elite Eight at the earliest ... there are A LOT of Illini teams this millennium that didn't earn that right and yet are remembered fondly by fans. Sure, we had some unlucky breaks, but we fought our way to something only 8-10 teams in the entire country will have achieved, and that is a clear-cut #3 seed or possibly a #2 seed. We still have a shot to play in St. Louis, and this team absolutely CAN still go on a deep run.

Now the Negatives...
1. There has been such a trend on this site of people who love the more objective measures like analytics subtly insinuating that anyone trusting their gut feeling after our games is like this anti-intellectual, overly emotional fan who "doesn't get it" or "isn't grateful" or "isn't suited for college sports." Bull. $hlt. I digress, but it's an epidemic in our society to just disregard your intuition as some un-trustable, subjective art akin to astrology rather than something you literally KNOW to be true, even without some cold, hard data to back it up. And it's been patently obvious that this team lacks toughness for way too long.

2. On that note, it is so asinine to make excuses for games where you blow huge leads because they were "close OT losses" or something. It is LITERALLY IRRELEVANT that we lost by 3 in OT today or by 1 in OT at UCLA. You know why? Because we had 16- and 20-point leads respectively, and we took our foot off the gas. Make all the excuses you want about the refs being bad or us being unlucky by missing "good shots" or Wisconsin / UCLA being lucky by making "contested shots" ... it doesn't matter, and you know it. When you have a 15-point lead, there aren't enough external factors to cause you to lose that lead to take some of the blame off of YOUR mental focus. People get mocked for throwing around less analytical terms like lacking a "killer instinct," but we just saw it with our own eyes!! No offense, but how deluded do you have to be to perform mental gymnastics in order to explain this stuff away by getting lost in the weeds of stats when all you had to do was have a non-moron IQ and open your eyes to watch that game. We didn't finish them off when we had them beat ... that's a fact.

3. I think a lot of people conflate "playing hard" and "GIVING good effort" with how frustrated fans are using those terms in critiquing this team / staff, and it's causing us to talk past each other. I don't think anyone doubts that we have players willing to run as fast as they can, be physical going for loose balls, try as hard as they can to play good defense, etc. What many of us are critiquing when we complain about our "effort" a given game is the team's ethos ... and it's often infuriatingly casual. I used to think this was good because we never got rattled under pressure; the electric crowds in West Lafayette and Lincoln weren't going to throw us off our game. But it never seems to work the other way. If we're playing at an A- level and the crowd at the UC gets going or a Wisconsin player who's been talking smack gets shut up, I don't see this extra gear that ever kicks in that elevates our chances of winning because we are fired up. It's not ALWAYS good to be stoic.

4. We can critique people we still support, and Brad deserves criticism. Period. Some will probably say this is unfair, but you aren't "winning a close game" when you pull away to win by 8 and it was close with like 4 minutes to go, lmao. The entire point of the criticism is that we become a less effective and worse team in situations where we need a basket or need a stop than the regular flow of the game. And there's just no way around putting that blame on the coach, because that is when the players rely on him, and when our go-to strategy isn't working, he needs to fix it. You don't lose every OT game because your luck is bad, you lose every OT game because your gameplan for those situations is sloppy and casual, and I honestly don't find it hard to believe at all that it's the type of thing Brad just doesn't want to think about or deal with because he'd prefer to win in regulation, and in his mind "if we had just executed better" we WOULD have won without OT therefore the root of the problem isn't anything about his strategy in OT, it's missed shots in the first half. :ROFLMAO:

5. Building on that, we are just not clutch. I'm not saying we never hit any shots in clutch situations or that some apologist for our team couldn't talk you in circles about how it was actually a plethora of OTHER reasons that explain us losing these last minute games. But if your life savings were on the line, who is betting on these guys to do what it takes to scrape out a nailbiter? And that is because we just don't have that vibe about us that we will take over the game and change the narrative and refuse to lose. Laugh at me all you want about how vague or non-analytical that is, but that's kind of the point ... it's an intangible quality that is hard to define, but anyone with his / her eyes wide open can clearly see when a group doesn't have it. We don't really show any more urgency or change anything about our approach depending on the opponent, time left in the game, the location, the stakes, etc. We just go play basketball. Some will say that's good, but ... it's not.

6. Just to bltch a tiny bit more about Underwood getting sassy with that reporter, lol. Imagine if Aaron Judge (who batted .331 last year) were batting like below .100 with runners in scoring position in the ninth inning where he could tie the game or give the Yankees the lead, and the sample size was absolutely large enough that a trend was noticeable. And a reporter asked him about this, and his response was, "I like how you are just ignoring all of the times that I had like 3 RBIs in the seventh inning to put the game out of reach!" Lol, that retort literally doesn't respond to ANY component of the assertion that he is performing worse under pressure! :ROFLMAO: Underwood's response made literally no sense. It wouldn't be shocking at all if this team finds itself in another nail-biting game this year, with our season on the line. I hope the plan is better than "Let my more talented players do their thing and hope it works out."

On to the Big Dance.
As to #1 on your negatives this is epidemic in sports these days. The analytics told the Tampa manager to take Blake Snell out in game 6 of the 2020 world series. But the gut of anyone watching said leave that dude in he's dealing. And the bullpen predictably blew the game & the series. Sometimes the gut is right.
 
#390      
How do we not know to attack the basket when we've got size mismatches all over the court? Or a 15-point lead? Or mismatches with a 15-point lead?

This is not advanced basketball stuff, you can see it coming a mile away, and it is 100% how we're gonna get bounced from the tourney.
We use this strategy based on ~metrics~ to get a lead, and then ... what? We bank on continuing to make the exact same kind of shots for the rest of the game to, like, double the lead? Well, sometimes that will work like vs. Missouri and USC. But when the other team starts making its run, you can't just keep playing exactly like you were when they weren't making their run, lol. You have to clamp down.

People have been ridiculed for saying this for the past two seasons, but this is the problem when your strategy to win a basketball game rarely is ever more complex than "shoot well, score points, try to have other team score fewer points." We aren't just going to execute offensively at the exact same clip every game, let alone throughout the entirety of a single game. It's easy to mock posters for complaining about a "lack of adjustments" because it's vague, but we all intuitively know it when we see it when a great coach notices a small opening to gain an advantage. It's not like Brad is incapable of doing that, but he just seems intent on us performing in such a way where the other team just can't beat us ... and we aren't always going to perform that way. And when we don't, we have to be quick on our feet.

We are playing with fire in the NCAA Tournament. We very well might play amazingly and get hot and go on a deep run ... but I have almost no faith that we will grind out a win on an off day. And those aren't great odds come March Madness, because you'll have an off day eventually.
 
#391      
12 seasons prior to Brad:

2006 — second round
2007 — first round
2008 — missed tournament
2009 — first round (upset by Western Kentucky)
2010 — missed tournament
2011 — second round
2012 — missed tournament
2013 — second round
2014 — missed tournament
2015 — missed tournament
2016 — missed tournament
2017 — missed tournament
Yeah, I get it. We used to suck. Does that mean people can’t also want/expect us to be better?
 
#395      
I actually think it’s more of a recruiting/roster building problem than a coaching mentality problem. There’s only so much toughness a coach can instill in his guys.

I’ve said this before, but it feels like we’ve gone with an Iowa (Fran era) on steroids philosophy the past few years. We go for skilled players and figure we can teach them to guard good enough. That has won us a lot of games but leaves us vulnerable against athleticism and toughness and if we don’t make shots. And right now we aren’t making shots and better pray we don’t draw a tough athletic team as a 15 or a 7.

And I’ve said this before too…I don’t think it’s a good look to go all in on offense when your son is the O Coordinator. In modern basketball you need to score, sure, but we’ve got some flaws that are the direct result of going all in on players designed to make Tyler’s offense look good.

Id like to see us with a little more roster balance and slide a few more athletes in alongside the skilled basketball players. I realize Ty got hurt but not sure if he would have cracked the rotation or not. But it feels like we are missing a Trent, DaMonte, shoot even a Morez type dog out there who can just beat people offensively and defensively with their athleticism.
I think you have it 100% correct. I also think that is why so many players transferred out. Brad is trying to build a mental toughness along with the physical toughness. And the test comes in tourney games. We certainly failed the test. You are also correct about the scoring. If we don't rebound and shoot fouls well, we can't outscore the opponent. I also think you are 100% correct about Ty Rogers.
 
#397      
A small detail perhaps overlooked about poor in game coaching- with about 4 minutes to go in OT, Brad sent Boswell to check in to the game, I assume to try and slow down one of their guards- even though he did have 4 fouls it was the right move. Instead he languished on the sideline for several more minutes because of the lack of stoppage in the game. Why not call a TO to get him in the game sooner??
Can add this to his historical lack of calling timely TO's to stop another teams run/momentum, lack of BLOBS and SLOBS, lack of other in game adjustments, and underperformance when it matters most of all, the NCAA tournament.
Well ya only get 2
 
#398      
12 seasons prior to Brad:

2006 — second round
2007 — first round
2008 — missed tournament
2009 — first round (upset by Western Kentucky)
2010 — missed tournament
2011 — second round
2012 — missed tournament
2013 — second round
2014 — missed tournament
2015 — missed tournament
2016 — missed tournament
2017 — missed tournament
What on this relevant earth does what you just typed up have to do with anything at all
 
#400      
We certainly aren’t tough enough right now. But I will say we were certainly tough against Tennessee. Think about the 4 or 5 3s in a row or whatever it was we hit to close out at Purdue. Vs Nebraska we got outplayed all game but fought back to tie it and lose on an incredible shot. @Nebraksa wasn’t a close game because we just put them in a frickin vice in the second half.

It feels like everything unraveled starting with the UCLA game. Sure we had leads @MSU and vs Wisconsin. But it’s always going to be hard to win in east Lansing and vs Wisconsin we simply ran out of gas playing only 6 guys. And we played really well both games. And we were absolutely blitzing UCLA before we just lost our mojo. We can’t shoot and just seem like we’ve lost our intensity. I was hoping some rest would help and it kinda did today but we still just lost our focus multiple times throughout the game. Maybe another week will help.

It’s too bad. Before Kylan broke his hand I think we could have beaten anybody. And that’s still our ceiling. But we lost it and can’t seem to find it.
 
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