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Wisconsin 91, Illinois 88 OT Postgame
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He's James Franklin or Bo Pelini. Wins enough in the regular season but faceplants when it counts.
Even under the hoop, they rebounded like they were glued to the floor. No excuse.
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Iowa is not in a great spot right now (LvilleILL1)
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But the analytics say standing around on offense is a really good thing, or something . . .
Somebody remind me why Crocker was such a great hire? Imagine if that was Tyler.
Tomi shoots off the wrong foot too much. The 3 he made today he stepped into it the right way. Hard for him as a lefty to get in the right position if you're setting picks for all your guards to go to the right.
We are far from playing like a 3 seed. Again, stats mean NOTHING with this team and its trajectory.
I get it but he's a freshman. Playing better than seasoned players. He can't carry the entire team for 40 minutes. Thank goodness for Jake and Andrej
Not sure how you sort or find data, but i'd be curious top 25 teams W/L record in P4 games where they shoot below their average from 3 and overall from the field.
I would assume "The Historic 4" would all have great records. But interested if there's a certain style we could find commonalities in. Not even trying to argue, but 5-5 seems... about right?
A couple I’ve seen are 1st round exit and Boswell not a good defender among others.
I went back and watched the next possessions that got Wisconsin back into the game (their 9-0 run) here’s how it went:
- Wis: Miss
- ILL: Foul -> Missed Foul on Andrej
- Wis: 2 FTs (iffy foul at best especially after the no call the possession before)
- ILL: Miss
- Wis: Blackwell 3
- ILL: Mirk in-and-out for 3
- Wis: Blackwell layup (bad defense)
- ILL: Wagler TO (missed reach-in foul as he was falling)
- Wis: Wide Open Layup
6 point swing on just officiating to make it a game again. This is not a defense of not closing it out, but 6 points swing from officiating in a 90 second stretch is a job.
At least he is not afraid to shoot.
12-0 against bottom 2/3 of Big Ten. 3-6 against the top third… but… four OT losses in the six.
This team has been roughly the 20th best team all season. And they’re remarkably consistent in playing at that level.
We win the first two, and assuming a 2 (or even 1) seed awaits in the Sweet 16, that’s it.
Unless Wagler goes Carmelo 2.0.
… and Brad is a great coach. 0-4 in OT is unlucky as much as un-clutch.
This team has been roughly the 20th best team all season. And they’re remarkably consistent in playing at that level.
We win the first two, and assuming a 2 (or even 1) seed awaits in the Sweet 16, that’s it.
Unless Wagler goes Carmelo 2.0.
… and Brad is a great coach. 0-4 in OT is unlucky as much as un-clutch.
I was referring to the last play of the game: the announcers were talking about us drawing up a play, but we don't really have plays even for situations like that or BLOBs, etc. While what we did wasn't anything creative, Wagler actually got a decent shot since Wisky was too afraid to foul.
As for our offensive philosophy, I'd say it's generally matchup hunting (plus offensive rebounding and low turnovers). And you're right, a big part of that is bringing our bigs out to shoot 3s, and that is perfectly good when they make a good %. But T and Z's 3pt%s have been bad for a while now, and we aren't rebounding their misses. I think if we abandoned those shots, the other matchups could still be good enough.
Today was still a "good" offensive game, but we need it to be great when our D is #25. Our net efficiency is not heading in the right direction (depending on how many games back you look), and what's also concerning is that we've played above our average against bad opponents (17-0 vs Q2+ and #3 in Torvik @ +37.4), but below it against better opponents (7-8 vs Q1 and #12 in Torvik @ +29.2). I don't know when both of those a small-sample-size trends (playing worse lately and playing worse against good teams) are more than a maddening coincidence, but it doesn't feel good.
Betting markets have dropped our championship odds down to a tie for 7th/8th with IAST, so I guess that's the takeaway for now.
Missed rebounds. Missed FTs. Missed 3’s. Missed 5-footer on last possession of regulation. Missed assignments. Missed chance to trade 2-for-1 at the end of regulation. Missed calls.
Did I miss anything?
Did I miss anything?
Why? Because they don’t account for recency bias fueled, emotional hot takes?
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Right or wrong, my attitude entering the NCAA Tournament is the same as last year and just shifted two rounds. Last year, I would have been very frustrated if we didn't at least play well enough to get out of the First Round. However, if we did find ourselves in the Second Round, it seemed likely that we'd be due for an off game and a ticket home. If we were lucky enough to string together two good performances and make the Sweet Sixteen (which was certainly possible!!), the odds would just rise exponentially that our off game and ticket home had just been delayed, but it was coming.
I [will be] very frustrated if we [don't] at least play well enough to get out of the [Second] Round. However, if we [do] find ourselves in the [Sweet Sixteen], it [seems] likely that [we'll] be due for an off game and a ticket home. If we [are] lucky enough to string together [three] good performances and make the [Elite Eight] (which [is] certainly possible!!), the odds would just rise exponentially that our off game and ticket home [has] just been delayed, but it [is] coming.
The team we were watching in January and early February looked like a team capable of a Final Four run. The team I'm watching now looks like it's capable of playing LIKE a team capable of a Final Four run once or twice, but certainly not four times in a row and certainly not in the face of in-game adversity ... and that's literally what a Final Four run takes. No fan should deride any fan here who is incredibly bummed for rightfully feeling this way about a #2 or #3 seed team of ours two days before Selection Sunday!!
I don’t want to turn this thread into a Brad Underwood coaching discussion, but, for the LOVE OF GOD, at some point you have to hard double Boyd every time he touches the ball and FORCE him to pass! Do whatever you have to do to take him out of the damn game!
If Rohde, Rapp, or whoever goes nuts, you live with the results. Coaching malpractice, in my opinion.
If Rohde, Rapp, or whoever goes nuts, you live with the results. Coaching malpractice, in my opinion.
I've been critical of BU for a number of years. But I always get shut down by 'look at his record in the B1G', 'he's won the B1G tournament', 'he can really recruit'....that is all nice, but f' that. It is March that matters and his record stinks.
Illinois Year-by-Year
2021: 1-1 (Round of 32)
2022: 1-1 (Round of 32)
2023: 0-1 (Round of 64)
2024: 3-1 (Elite Eight)
2025: 0-1 (Round of 64)
Illinois Year-by-Year
2021: 1-1 (Round of 32)
2022: 1-1 (Round of 32)
2023: 0-1 (Round of 64)
2024: 3-1 (Elite Eight)
2025: 0-1 (Round of 64)
Tomi having just 2 rebounds is quite unideal.
No, absolutely not. BECAUSE I HAVE SEEN THE LAST MONTH OF THIS TEAM's PERFORMANCES. What is it with this strange, irrelevant infatuation with statistics. We have a staff full of guys who worship them and you see how that's working out. Get a grip, man.
Brad is awful with timeouts. It's so bad it's almost comical.
That's just an easy way of saying regressed.
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