Wisconsin 91, Illinois 88 OT Postgame

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#776      
This team reminds me sooo much of 21-22 team.

Both 15-5 in Big
Sputtered down the end.

Lose in the field of 32.

Difference is that team played very good D but couldn't really create offense

This team can create offense but can't guard anyone.

Brad has transformed the team and his approach but here we are.

Either change the narrative this year or keep on keeping on.....
If we don't make 3s we are toast. Need a better balance with more athletic players.
 
#777      
We make a REASONABLE amount of free throws, you win. At the end of regulation, Wisconsin was 19 of 20. We were 8 of 14, missing how many front ends? That's concentration. We lost at the line. Period.

P.s.....Brad's not going anywhere and we all know it, so cut it off right there. That said, his roster building and Euro ball philosophy has to change unless we are unable to fund for elite guards. We have no foot speed advantage or athleticism advantage anywhere on the floor. That's a personnel issue.

100% - all of it. My biggest critique of Brad to date has ironically been adjusting too much from the TSJ / Domask team. That team might not have been as elite offensively as this one according to the metrics, but they methodically diced you up in the halfcourt, and ripped your heart out in transition.

Brad rightfully still focused on the size, length and skill - but we've given too much up in speed and twitch. Part of the reason I think we havent crushed Wisconsin on the boards as we should, is because teams are selling out on the boards now. And why not? We're not gonna punish them in transition, so they'll take their chances trying to steal a few possessions back.

I don't complain nearly as much about the halfcourt offense as some. But Newman did bring up a good point about us not shifting our style when having the lead. A big part of that is that athleticism - we get our offense setting up mismatches, getting open threes and that doesn't afford you the luxury of waiting until 10 on the shot clock to set up. With TSJ, just give it to your downhill driver and go at the end of the clock.

In hindsight, a guy like Swain would have been excellent this offseason, or if we ultimately closed on Sarr... But as much as fans wanna act like we got top ten resources, we had to pivot from Sarr, to have room for guys like Mirk. But we need to blend the two this offseason.
 
#778      
Probably? But they didn't, and that's worked out great for them. And that's the point.

Every single season, 364/365 teams either end on a loss or fail to make the tournament entirely.


Yes, but it's more than that. BU makes the tournament every year. The idea that he's "hit a ceiling" is nonsense. Andy Reid was the prototypical "will never win the big one" coach until year 21(!!!) as a head coach. Then he won it. And then he won it two more times.

A good coach is a good coach. When you have one, you thank your lucky stars and you ride it out because there's a much bigger chance he's going to eventually break through than that his replacement is even as successful as he is.
For the way people talk about it… he’s only had one underachieving tournament (Loyola).

And one overachieving tournament in 2024.
 
#779      
This is the stuff that drives me crazy w Brad. I’m not a “fire Brad” guy, but there are several things about him that drive me crazy and I think are really limiting his ceiling. We all have strengths and weaknesses… If in game coaching is one of his weaknesses (I think it is), then get good asst coaches and actually listen to them. They can help you know when to call TO, design BLOBs, put in subs, etc.

Someone else already mentioned it, but I watched Boswell wait at the scorers table to check into the game for TWO MINUTES in OT, when we desperately needed him in on D. We had 2 TOs left… call one and get him in! There are tons more examples… but my point is, there should be people on staff helping w stuff like that.

Lastly, I know about 1% of the X’s and O’s that Brad knows… possibly less. But I do know this. If I watched my AA guard get hosed on foul calls all year long while simultaneously watching other guards flop around like dead fish and get call after call after call, I would have absolutely lit one of those refs on fire. I would have gotten thrown out of a couple games just to prove a point. Izzo does it and it probably gets his guys 2-3 extra calls each game. Brad makes enough money, I would have torn into them in my post games and paid the fines. Got to take a stand for your guys at some point.
I think the problem is you have assistant coaches that don’t know what to do if things have to go differently than the gameplan. Basically, it’s trust analytics and don’t veer from
the gameplan. I don’t think it’s Brad isn’t listening to them.
 
#780      
For the defenders of BU, he has made it past the R32 once in 8 years. If he only makes it past the R32 one more time in the next 8 years is that acceptable? With our resources isn’t one R32 win every 8 years unacceptable? Certainly no one is ok with that?
 
#781      
If I remember Shannon blitzed them early, got into foul trouble and we barely hung on. If those teams played in a 7 game series, Otz would have made adjustments and Brad would have banked on the same start each time.

or shannon wouldnt have gotten in foul trouble again and they would have just kept blitzing them.

But then again, if we kept blitzing them, you would say brad gets no credit because he didnt have to adjust.

healthy way to think!
 
#783      
This is the stuff that drives me crazy w Brad. I’m not a “fire Brad” guy, but there are several things about him that drive me crazy and I think are really limiting his ceiling. We all have strengths and weaknesses… If in game coaching is one of his weaknesses (I think it is), then get good asst coaches and actually listen to them. They can help you know when to call TO, design BLOBs, put in subs, etc.

Someone else already mentioned it, but I watched Boswell wait at the scorers table to check into the game for TWO MINUTES in OT, when we desperately needed him in on D. We had 2 TOs left… call one and get him in! There are tons more examples… but my point is, there should be people on staff helping w stuff like that.

Lastly, I know about 1% of the X’s and O’s that Brad knows… possibly less. But I do know this. If I watched my AA guard get hosed on foul calls all year long while simultaneously watching other guards flop around like dead fish and get call after call after call, I would have absolutely lit one of those refs on fire. I would have gotten thrown out of a couple games just to prove a point. Izzo does it and it probably gets his guys 2-3 extra calls each game. Brad makes enough money, I would have torn into them in my post games and paid the fines. Got to take a stand for your guys at some point.
I haven't paid a ton of attention to the sidelines during games, but when the cameras have been on Brad, he's usually talking to Tyler and that's it? Does he talk to the other assistants much during the game? I mean OA was a head coach, he probably has some ideas about TOs and lineups?
 
#785      
Lol...we can play defense.....I've seen it.......just not for more than about 15 minutes per game.

The coaches are not getting the most out of these players. We have spurts of greatness, followed by sleepwalking.

Getting outrebounded by that team is nothing but desire. Want. Effort. It almost seems like this team got full of itself with the "were the #1 offense in the nation" crap.

Cool. Enjoy your week off, #1 offense in the nation.
 
#786      
I remember being 9 years old playing 2k against the CPU. If I was losing by too much with too little time left, I would change the user sliders to all 99s and the cpu sliders to all zeros and proceed to easily come back and win. This year's team is the CPU in this scenario.
 
#788      
Chucking 3s instead of going to the basket was the difference in my opinion as well as no game plan to stop penetration plays by their guards. Missed free throws did not help either. Every ot loss has come down to at least 1 glaring breakdown between winning or losing. Time to put up or go home. Go Illini.
Ball movement has to get better. Period.
 
#789      
Here we go again …

9-31 from 3 … Yet we just KEEP CHUCKING …

Davis and Mirk the ONLY guys to make more than one three …

We can’t guard anyone … Give up 70 to these Wisco guards … Bam lockdown defender ??? GMAFB … Horrible !!!!!

THEY HAVE TWO GUYS and we let them TORCH US !!!!!! AGAIN !!!!!! NO ADJUSTMENTS from Game 1 !!!!!!!!!

OUTREBOUNDED by these dudes ?????? CANNOT HAPPEN !!!!

I’ll let the tourney play out … And I hope we absolutely kill it but IMO it’s Second weekend or there needs to be serious discussions about the future and whether that includes Brad or not … 1 for 9 on second weekends just simply doesn’t cut it at this program …

This end of season/down the stretch performance has been flat out UNACCEPTABLE !!!!!!!!
I know you are an insider but is this true?
Brad Underwood has to be one of the most secure coaches in
 
#790      
For the defenders of BU, he has made it past the R32 once in 8 years. If he only makes it past the R32 one more time in the next 8 years is that acceptable? With our resources isn’t one R32 win every 8 years unacceptable? Certainly no one is ok with that?

No. Certainly not.

But the first few years he was taking over a train wreck, and it was pre-portal and NIL. And one year there was no tournament.

It’s not apples to apples and you know that
 
#791      
People not intent on digging their feet in the sand might also call this a trend. We are 4-5 in our last nine games, and that is objectively the most relevant window into what our NCAA Tournament prospects look like as of now. Could they improve, and could we see the same squad that won 12 straight next week? Of course. But it's absurd to accuse people of "recency bias" (much less having emotional hot takes, what an unfair thing to say to anyone with eyes to see right now...) for allowing their opinion on this team's ceiling to change with, ya know ... the reality we are witnessing.
Do you want to guess what our 3-point shooting % is after halftime in all games since February 1?
 
#792      
Well this last month has lessened the heartache when it inevitably ends well short of Indy. Til February I thought this team had final four potential. That was a mirage. UCLA ended my real enthusiasm for the season. I’ll watch and hope I’m wrong but just have no expectation of anything.
 
#793      
dont forget "we had a great week of practice"
We did come out with impressive energy on D. UW was hitting their shots, but we were defending hard. For the first couple possessions.
And we did get 2 or 3 shot clock violations. But not much consistency.
 
#795      
aside from the fact that you’re misleading on the term “this year” to mean calendar year and not season since we lost to nebraska in regulation at home
Iirc, we WERE tied with Nebby with no time on the clock. (The winning 3 was in the air, however.)
 
#796      
Well this last month has lessened the heartache when it inevitably ends well short of Indy. Til February I thought this team had final four potential. That was a mirage. UCLA ended my real enthusiasm for the season. I’ll watch and hope I’m wrong but just have no expectation of anything.
I went to the game at Iowa City… I was excited because I was able to put bets in on Illini to make final 4 and win championship while in Iowa (we can’t bet on Illini in the state of Illinois ). I’m not feeling nearly as good about those bets now
 
#797      
People not intent on digging their feet in the sand might also call this a trend. We are 4-5 in our last nine games, and that is objectively the most relevant window into what our NCAA Tournament prospects look like as of now. Could they improve, and could we see the same squad that won 12 straight next week? Of course. But it's absurd to accuse people of "recency bias" (much less having emotional hot takes, what an unfair thing to say to anyone with eyes to see right now...) for allowing their opinion on this team's ceiling to change with, ya know ... the reality we are witnessing.
With regard to what you said in bold…I’ll say it again: there is no analysis out there that says how you close a season is predictive of how a team will do in the tournament. Hot teams routinely underperform their seed. There are teams thought to be slumping every year that over perform.
 
#798      
Do you want to guess what our 3-point shooting % is after halftime in all games since February 1?
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#799      
It's hard to imagine this team getting past the first weekend of the NCAA tournament. We seem very prone to not being able to stop any persistent guard penetration. It's been like this for a long time now actually. The last game we won against a good team was Feb 1 Nebraska. Hoping they figure it out before next weekend but I don't see a whole lot of evidence that these guys are going to put up a fight. It's really too bad because up until the last several weeks I would have said this is one of the best teams we've had. But now we look like a very skilled team that won't be playing past the first weekend. What the hell happened to these guys?
 
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