Coaching Carousel (Basketball)
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Has he really not had an offer from Cuse? This whole thing feels so messy
Is that good or bad for Illinois?
ASU … Continue to hear Bennett could just use them for a raise and stay where he’s at …
Olen is who the AD wants but can he make the finances work … Olen and Rossini go WAY back …
Glasser interviewed … Does it get the donors excited ? Can he win ?
If it was me … It’s Olen …
Olen is who the AD wants but can he make the finances work … Olen and Rossini go WAY back …
Glasser interviewed … Does it get the donors excited ? Can he win ?
If it was me … It’s Olen …
Whole thing is a
show …I think I mentioned in some post about over and rated jobs that Cuse is pretty much one bad hire away from being completely irrelevant … We are entering that territory …
jmwillini
- Tolono, IL
Ahh, the legend, LVG.
edit: RabidDawg, beat me to it. Disadvantages of hitting Reply with more pages to read, lol.
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We as in ILL?Whole thing is a
I think I mentioned in some post about over and rated jobs that Cuse is pretty much one bad hire away from being completely irrelevant … We are entering that territory …
Depends what you mean. Syracuse dominates a mid-sized city and its surrounding region. Plus, it has a huge building. A lot of the alumni base is a few hours away and pro-sports oriented though, so heavy support from them follows success rather than preceding it.Whole thing is a
I think I mentioned in some post about over and rated jobs that Cuse is pretty much one bad hire away from being completely irrelevant … We are entering that territory …
They had a six-year period of dominance under Boeheim where they never got less than a four-seed and made a Final Four. Then, a nine-year decline under Boeheim when it was either bubble or no tournament. The Autry hire didn’t work and they missed three more in a row.
Make slight changes to the names and a few of the numbers (particularly Boeheim getting a longer decline grace period than Weber because of his history there), and you’re basically talking about us pre-Underwood. Not sure why the right guy couldn’t get things going there again.
mhuml32
Gesture of Northern Aggression
Not an insider at all and completely guessing here, is it possible that with the move to the ACC back in 2013, Syracuse has had to increase it's football investment in order to try and compete there (where that wasn't as difficult to do in the Big East) and that has hurt the basketball program?
ACC media payouts are way behind the other major conferences. I saw an estimate that the operating cost for a P4 football program is about $50 million per year (that doesn't even include NIL), with top programs running budgets in excess of $100 million. The ACC media deal is projected to payout $47 million for 2026. Meanwhile, the Big Ten paid out $63 million per school in 2024 and for 2025 I saw a projection of $75 million.
So Syracuse is likely starting in the red on football before even getting to their basketball budget. I think other ACC programs like Duke, UNC, FSU etc. manage to rake in from other revenue sources and donations in a way that would be difficult for Syracuse. Yes, Syracuse has a large, well-heeled alumni base but I don't think it has the level of wealth of a Duke or Virginia, or the raw numbers and rabidity of a Florida St.
Edit to say I do agree though that the right hire would absolutely be able to turn that program around, just seems like they not have enough resources to entice the right hire.
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I'll bet my beach front house...
Formerly known as "Gully's."I'll bet my beach front house...
Continue to hear Will Wade to LSU buzz …
Some very prominent LSU boosters making it very clear they want Wade back … And they don’t really care what it costs …
Wade’s buyout is right around $5 million … McMahon’s buyout is right around $8 million …
It’s also not a secret that Wade would be very open to going back to LSU …
Some very prominent LSU boosters making it very clear they want Wade back … And they don’t really care what it costs …
Wade’s buyout is right around $5 million … McMahon’s buyout is right around $8 million …
It’s also not a secret that Wade would be very open to going back to LSU …
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Is LSU even a better job than NC State? And is Will Wade even worth that?
Will Wade and Lane? Could make for a great reality TV show
I know it didn't work out at IL, but John Groce is a great coach. He's a weird dude, but his Akron teams have been so good. Had a chance to catch a few of their games in person and he's got that program rockin.
Too bad there's already one called "The Traitors."
mhuml32
Gesture of Northern Aggression
My thoughts on how Syracuse has reached their current destination:
(1) Recruiting became fully national in the mid-2000's and Syracuse's draw from NY and Northeast was rendered moot
(2) Fanbase does not have the NIL coffers that many of the other P4 programs possess
(3) The brand was always Boeheim > Syracuse
(4) Leadership has been a mess since 7-8 years ago, which was terribly timed with the introduction of transfer portal and NIL
(5) Syracuse was right to move to the ACC but the athletic dept and university leadership had no plan on how to pivot to a changing conference and landscape
(1) Recruiting became fully national in the mid-2000's and Syracuse's draw from NY and Northeast was rendered moot
(2) Fanbase does not have the NIL coffers that many of the other P4 programs possess
(3) The brand was always Boeheim > Syracuse
(4) Leadership has been a mess since 7-8 years ago, which was terribly timed with the introduction of transfer portal and NIL
(5) Syracuse was right to move to the ACC but the athletic dept and university leadership had no plan on how to pivot to a changing conference and landscape
Depends who’s coaching at LSU … Have to have the big boosters on board … Wade obviously did … And now he’ll really have them on board …
And I’d argue for LSU … Yes getting Wade back is definitely worth $13 million …
Illini2010-11
- Sugar Grove
Hard not to like the dude. You can see what the success at Akron means to him, especially in his interview after winning the MAC tourney. I wanted it to work out at Illinois for him, but it was not in the cards. Nonetheless, he is an Elite MAC coach, and I find myself rooting for his team every season.
I actually think Akron has a great chance to make the S16 this year -- Texas Tech is shorthanded, and Alabama has a mess on their hands. Can't think there are many coaches that have made the S16 with multiple MAC programs before. I really wonder if he wants to step out for a power conference job again (he is 54 and has a great thing going at Akron).
mhuml32
Gesture of Northern Aggression
I don't see LSU as one of the few P4 schools that can spend big on football and basketball, plus LSU has already gone deep on getting Kiffin everything possible.
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
Whether LSU Basketball is a better job than NC State Basketball is a micro-level question that is actually kind of a macro-level question about the future of the sport.
Will the industrial economy of scale of football factories in the Power Two overwhelm the places where fans actually care about basketball?
I think this ties in nicely with my above post about Syracuse.
The thing is, having a power conference football program is an absolute money pit, and if you want to be able to sustain that and have anything left over to compete in other sports, the media rights payouts in the ACC and Big 12 are just not enough to be competitive going forward in both unless you're able to generate a significant amount of revenue on your own as a program (that's what the Blue Bloods do).
I mean, look at UNC's balance sheet for both sports, for example (https://goheels.com/documents/2026/2/3/NCAAMembershipFinancialReport2025.pdf):
Basketball Profit/Loss: $22,928,499
-Total Revenues: $39,742,089
-Total Expenditures: $16,813,590
Football Profit/Loss: $14,191,345
- Total Revenues: $63,337,093
- Total Expenditures: $49,145,748
So despite the much larger overall revenue for football, basketball was actually more profitable for UNC. And the revenue difference is actually fully accounted for by one line item - media rights, where UNC football generated $20 million more in media rights than UNC basketball. In fact, take away media rights, and UNC football would be in the red. Take away media rights, and UNC basketball would still be more profitable than UNC football was with the media rights. Which is why ACC teams want to get out so badly - their media rights deal is so much worse than the P2.
And UNC is one of the schools in good shape. A lot of schools don't post these reports. My guess is a lot of them are not in the black in football. Here's a Big 12 team that's doing quite a bit worse: Kansas (https://kuathletics.com/documents/download/2026/1/15/FY_24-25_NCAA_Final_Report.pdf)
Basketball Profit/Loss: $2,186,865
- Total Revenues: $21,918,944
- Total Expenditures: $19,732,079
Football Profit/Loss: $2,593,903
- Total Revenues: $37,110,397
- Total Expenditures: $34,516,494
I mean, still in the black, but barely so, despite spending $15 million a year less than UNC on football. And keep in mind, this is before revenue sharing.
Meanwhile, here's our balance sheet, for a Big 10 perspective (https://s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/...nts/2026/1/16/FY25_IL_NCAA_Report__Final_.pdf)
Basketball Profit/Loss: $16,655,914
- Total Revenues: $35,275,590
- Total Expenditures: $18,619,676
Football Profit/Loss: $38,671,209
- Total Revenues: $87,939,659
- Total Expenditures: $49,268,450
So, as far as the cost to operate a program goes, we're in the ballpark with UNC in both sports and with Kansas on basketball, and spending more than Kansas is on football. For now. But given the huge revenue advantage to having an SEC or Big Ten football program, I don't know how that's sustainable, particularly with revenue sharing. With most P4 teams expected to contribute $15 million to revenue share for football, that easily puts Kansas football in the red and for UNC it would be close. And for the broader picture, for this FY 2025 reporting period, UNC's entire athletic dept finished $15 million in the red. Kansas finished $80 million in the red. We finished $5 million in the black. That's not a crazy amount, but it means a lot more room to maneuver going forward.
The Sprouting Divot
Invisible and Bulletproof
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LSU spends money that doesn't even exist yet, and has no issue shutting down a library or two to pay the tab for its athletic department. It is not an institution bound by rules, sense, or economy like you seem to assume.
What do you think about Bradds to Belmont
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