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the top of the block I is touching the top border. we can't get any better offensively.just kills me that IU is where it is:
OTOH, love where we sit
the top of the block I is touching the top border. we can't get any better offensively.just kills me that IU is where it is:
OTOH, love where we sit
Anticipating those top 3 are preseason 3. The scary trend is that only 1 of the top 4 make the F4. There there is a team from 5-8, then the other two teams come out of the teens through 20's.
Our “easy” games must have been so much harder in 2018-19, because we didn’t play nearly as many “big time” opponents.If our non-conference opponents' final KenPom rankings shake out in a similar place as their preseason rankings, then this should be the second-strongest SOS in the Underwood era, if you simply take the average ranks of our non-conference opponents. See the average ranks below for those interested:
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There are some sneakily interesting games in 128 Penn, 167 Sam Houston St., 205 Winthrop, 122 Western Kentucky, and 124 Seattle.
The chemistry has really grown on me. You have the three retention pieces, then Vaaks coming in as lead guard, euro connected. I like how Coleman and his tenacity compliments the group. It feels like a team that should have really good chemistry.You have to like Illinois retention... T, Z, Andre's, Mirk, Jake and a few deeper pieces that are familiar with the program.
I was super curious, so I looked up our top 50 KenPom non-conference opponents in the Underwood Era! Apologies in advance if I missed any.Our “easy” games must have been so much harder in 2018-19, because we didn’t play nearly as many “big time” opponents.
Brad’s philosophy is definitely a trial by fire, which gets us tons of national exposure we didn’t have (nearly as much) for 10-15 years. Also, it seems to be the recipe most other top programs employ. Say what you will about Izzo, but even on his down years he gets MSU into fights against some of the best programs in the country.I was super curious, so I looked up our top 50 KenPom non-conference opponents in the Underwood Era! Apologies in advance if I missed any.
2017-2018
vs. #40 Missouri (St. Louis, MO)
2018-2019
vs. #2 Gonzaga (Maui, HI)
vs. #15 Iowa State (Maui, HI)
2019-2020
at #19 Arizona
2020-2021 (Shortened COVID Season)
vs. #2 Baylor (Indianapolis, IN)
at #36 Duke
2021-2022
vs. #5 Arizona
vs. #38 Notre Dame
at #47 Missouri
2022-2023
vs. #3 UCLA (Las Vegas, NV)
vs. #5 Texas (New York, NY)
vs. #34 Virginia (Las Vegas, NV)
2023-2024
at #5 Tennessee
vs. #13 Marquette
vs. #47 FAU (New York, NY)
2024-2025
vs. #1 Duke (New York, NY)
vs. #5 Tennessee
vs. #6 Alabama (Birmingham, AL)
vs. #19 Missouri (St. Louis, MO)
vs. #36 Arkansas (Kansas City, MO)
2025-2026
vs. #9 UConn (New York, NY)
vs. #12 Alabama (Chicago, IL)
vs. #14 Tennessee (Nashville, TN)
vs. #20 Texas Tech
2026-2027
at #1 Duke
vs. #11 UConn (Chicago, IL)
at #12 Texas Tech
vs. #37 North Carolina (Nashville, TN)
vs. #48 Missouri (St. Louis, MO)
One top 50 opponent in Year 1 to five in Year 10, including three in the top 15!
Yep, I especially love the exposure part. We'll ALWAYS have a diehard core of supporters (e.g., the folks on this board!), and due to factors like our historic success and large instate population, our "fan base floor" is very high. However, it is invaluable to be constantly showcased on the big networks in hyped matchups, shaping the perception of an entire generation of younger fans that Illinois is "always a player."Brad’s philosophy is definitely a trial by fire, which gets us tons of national exposure we didn’t have (nearly as much) for 10-15 years. Also, it seems to be the recipe most other top programs employ. Say what you will about Izzo, but even on his down years he gets MSU into fights against some of the best programs in the country.
Thanks for sharing.Updated KenPom rankings / projections of the Big Ten! I divided it up by the BTT separations (double bye, etc.).
- Start on Friday -------------------------------------
(1) #4 Illinois: 15-5
(2) #7 Michigan State: 14-6
(3) #16 Nebraska: 13-7
(4) #21 Ohio State 12-8
- Start on Thursday ----------------------------------
(5) #24 Purdue: 12-8
(6) #27 UCLA: 12-8
(7) #28 Michigan: 11-9
(8) #36 USC: 11-9
- Start on Wednesday -------------------------------
(9) #40 Wisconsin: 10-10
(10) #42 Minnesota: 10-10
(11) #43 Iowa: 10-10
(12) #47 Indiana: 10-10
(13) #53 Maryland: 9-11
(14) #68 Washington: 7-13
- Start on Tuesday -----------------------------------
(15) #79 Oregon: 7-13
(16) #82 Rutgers: 7-13
(17) #87 Penn State: 6-14
(18) #89 Northwestern: 5-15
I might be putting too much stock in last season (and I obviously understand many rosters have completely changed) ... but this seems to be severely underrating both Michigan and Iowa, IMO.
Semi-relevant to the points mentioned above - but it seems like there's a business decision being made to schedule quality big-market games to continue the upward momentum in viewership and the direct/indirect benefits that come with it.Yep, I especially love the exposure part. We'll ALWAYS have a diehard core of supporters (e.g., the folks on this board!), and due to factors like our historic success and large instate population, our "fan base floor" is very high. However, it is invaluable to be constantly showcased on the big networks in hyped matchups, shaping the perception of an entire generation of younger fans that Illinois is "always a player."
Respect (as far as TV exposure goes) tends to lag success, and I think we are seeing that respect this year. While the TV network might not make a big difference to us fans as we tune in for a big Tuesday night game, being on FOX or CBS or ESPN compared to BTN or FS1 is just a different stratosphere of relevance to the casual fan. Getting Duke on ESPN, UConn on FOX, Missouri on ESPN2, North Carolina on ESPN (or ESPN2) and the Texas Tech game still TBD is a huge improvement to the last couple years as far as eyeballs on our Illini. And that says nothing of Big Ten games like at Wisconsin on FOX, Indiana on CBS, Ohio State on CBS, MSU on FOX, Purdue on FOX, Oregon on FOX, vs. Wisconsin on CBS and vs. Iowa on FOX!
We are the murderers!(2) Nevertheless, we will be favored in the VAST majority of these games, so it's not like we signed up for a murderer's row when we aren't ready.
It must drive you nuts when Brad and the players openly say the goal is the national championship. Whats the point if you don't have high expectations?I don't like the level of expectation this puts on us, but at the same time, you kind of have to be in that upper tier to have a shot at a title.
I'm glad you chose not to size down this picture to maintain effect.
Every team says that every year. No one actually expects the majority of them to do that.It must drive you nuts when Brad and the players openly say the goal is the national championship. Whats the point if you don't have high expectations?
Somewhat OT, but I just want to recommend YouTube TV to anyone here who is frustrated by the current TV situation in college sports! Its one big downfall (for me) is that it doesn't have Marquee so I could not watch the Cubs a lot this summer ... but it includes all of the channels that have annoyingly been moved to the HBO app (TBS, TNT and TruTV), and it also includes Peacock! User interface and lagging issues are also miles better than what I was using before (Fubo).The Big 12 finally released their designations & we have a complete tipoff & TV schedule set for the regular season-
Illinois at Texas Tech (Tue, Nov 10): 7:00pm CT, Peacock [via]
Illini Basketball Schedule (fightingillini.com)
I'll agree to an extent. I mean, Brad's public comments in the first couple rebuilding years (as it related to a single season, not long-term goals) were probably more about "getting better" and stuff like that. This is really the first year where we will (A) enter the season with the ACTUAL hype to be National Title contenders and (B) have literal, actual proof from the year before that we can get there!Every team says that every year. No one actually expects the majority of them to do that.
The problem is pressure. It's one thing if a team comes out of the blue and wins. It's quite another to be expected to be a title favorite.
Thanks for doing this. So fun to have schedules like these. He actually accomplished 3 in the top 15 by year 8 he had 3 top 15 again in year 9, and both of those years 4 in the top 20. It's certainly a big turnaround under Underwood to say the least. Go ILLINI!!!I was super curious, so I looked up our top 50 KenPom non-conference opponents in the Underwood Era! Apologies in advance if I missed any.
2017-2018
vs. #40 Missouri (St. Louis, MO)
2018-2019
vs. #2 Gonzaga (Maui, HI)
vs. #15 Iowa State (Maui, HI)
2019-2020
at #19 Arizona
2020-2021 (Shortened COVID Season)
vs. #2 Baylor (Indianapolis, IN)
at #36 Duke
2021-2022
vs. #5 Arizona
vs. #38 Notre Dame
at #47 Missouri
2022-2023
vs. #3 UCLA (Las Vegas, NV)
vs. #5 Texas (New York, NY)
vs. #34 Virginia (Las Vegas, NV)
2023-2024
at #5 Tennessee
vs. #13 Marquette
vs. #47 FAU (New York, NY)
2024-2025
vs. #1 Duke (New York, NY)
vs. #5 Tennessee
vs. #6 Alabama (Birmingham, AL)
vs. #19 Missouri (St. Louis, MO)
vs. #36 Arkansas (Kansas City, MO)
2025-2026
vs. #9 UConn (New York, NY)
vs. #12 Alabama (Chicago, IL)
vs. #14 Tennessee (Nashville, TN)
vs. #20 Texas Tech
2026-2027
at #1 Duke
vs. #11 UConn (Chicago, IL)
at #12 Texas Tech
vs. #37 North Carolina (Nashville, TN)
vs. #48 Missouri (St. Louis, MO)
One top 50 opponent in Year 1 to five in Year 10, including three in the top 15!
I don't know. I think you need to give BU a little bit of credit for this. I don't recall his predecessors being so public and so explicit about their goal or expectation to win a national championship at Illinois.Every team says that every year. No one actually expects the majority of them to do that.
The problem is pressure. It's one thing if a team comes out of the blue and wins. It's quite another to be expected to be a title favorite.