Adam Miller transfers to LSU

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jrmarcus said:
We don't know Adam Miller's motivation. I think we should just back off. Miller sees Kentucky as his best path to the NBA. It might be, it might not. He worked really hard on the court this past season, so I don't think there's anything selfish about him. It just may be a fit issue. Miller's game might not have been a good match for Illinois. He's a capable spot up shooter, but that's not his game. He sees himself in the Ayo role, with the ball in his hands. Like other's have pointed out, that's probably the same thing all the players think at Kentucky. I wished it had worked out, but I wish him well.
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"We" probably shouldn't be used as different people know different things. Granted it's more "his camp" (and not MIF) causing the issue but anybody who thinks going and playing for a team full of 5 stars all getting their audition on is going to be easier to shine than next to one of the best passers in college basketball is really twisting a narrative.

Cal won't care about Miller's feelings or his camp's. He won't guarantee him a starting spot. He won't care if he leaves after one semester or one year because there will be somebody just as good and, quite honestly, better. He might make some nice empty promises. That'll be the extent of his dedication to Adam Miller.
 
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Kofiisforclosing said:
"We" probably shouldn't be used as different people know different things. Granted it's more "his camp" (and not MIF) causing the issue but anybody who thinks going and playing for a team full of 5 stars all getting their audition on is going to be easier to shine than next to one of the best passers in college basketball is really twisting a narrative.

Cal won't care about Miller's feelings or his camp's. He won't guarantee him a starting spot. He won't care if he leaves after one semester or one year because there will be somebody just as good and, quite honestly, better. He might make some nice empty promises. That'll be the extent of his dedication to Adam Miller.
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Yeah... I expect if Millers mom talked to Matthew's and Whitney's mom she would steer him far away from Cal.
I learned along time ago as a hiring mgr, check REFERENCES. Same applies for coaches.
 
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Bogey99 said:
He stands up quickly right as Kofi grabs the ball, clearly engaged with what's happening in the play. I'm not sure where he was looking at that precise moment, but this seems like overanalysis of a very brief clip.
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illinitiger said:
Yeah... I expect if Millers mom talked to Matthew's and Whitney's mom she would steer him far away from Cal.
I learned along time ago as a hiring mgr, check REFERENCES. Same applies for coaches.
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She could also talk to the mothers of Tyler Herro, Malik Monk, Jamal Murray, D'Aaron Fox, Devin Booker, and many others...and get a different opinion. And you're probably thinking "No comparison because Adam Miller isn't close to those players". And I agree, but Adam Miller probably thinks he is as good as those guys. And if he's put into Cal's system, that he'll show out like they did. There's a reason guys pick Kentucky. And if Miller picks KY, then I'll say well good luck. I don't consider it a slap in the face. Its not like Miller is transferring to some horrible school to put up a bunch of shots like DePaul, or of he just went to another comparable school of Illinois, this is Kentucky. There's very little recruiting battles any school will win against Kentucky if the choice is KY vs non-blue bloods. I'm sure Huggins would have preferred keeping Oscar too. In fact, he was pretty pissed off when he left and basically claimed KY cheated by paying off his support group. Maybe KY is doing the same thing here with Adam? Who knows? But to act like the Millers don't know what they are doing if they went to Kentucky to play basketball is absurd. As I've said, the only way this transfer makes sense is if he chose a school like Kentucky. If he winds up like Jaquan Lyle, who left Ohio State after 2 productive seasons only to end up at a school like New Mexico - then it wouldn't make sense.

If I had a son that only wanted to make the NBA, and didn't care about anything else, I'd understand if he picked Kentucky. He'd be making his own decisions.
 
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CurbeloYourEnthusiasm said:
If Cal was bringing in 5 stars and he was having to compete with guys like Tyler Herro, Devin Booker, Malik Monk, you'd have a point. But he isn't. They were 9-16 this year for a reason. Their roster stinks, and he needs productive college players to fill huge roles. Kentucky isn't in on any 5 star guards for next year, so Adam Miller is the best they can hope for.

I don't understand how you don't think Adam Miller is good enough for a 9-16 Kentucky team, when he started every game for a top 5 Illinois team. You must not think Adam Miller is that good. I think he is. I think he's KY level good for sure. He'll play just as many minutes at Kentucky as he would anywhere else. Big difference between Miller and Khalil Whitney. Miller is a proven college player at this point. Khalil Whitney never produced. Every coach has recruits that don't work out, but nobody can argue with the amount of guys Cal has put into the league. Its a selling point for players.

The same reason Oscar Tshbiewe (who is a very good player) transferred to Kentucky from West Virginia, is the same reason Adam Miller. NBA priority. Given that each have been productive college players, I'd expect them to produce at KY too.
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I don't see Cal playing either guy ahead of a 5* freshman, even if Miller and Tshbiewe are better than the 5* freshman.
 
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Action10 said:
I don't see Cal playing either guy ahead of a 5* freshman, even if Miller and Tshbiewe are better than the 5* freshman.
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The only one on this list that would play ahead of Adam Miller that KY still has a chance to get is Jaden Hardy. Kentucky has even now offered Podziemski. I think Adam and Oscar would start at 99% of D1 schools next year, and that includes Kentucky. There's just not any 5 star freshmen even out there that could challenge really good upperclassmen players.
 
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CurbeloYourEnthusiasm said:
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The only one on this list that would play ahead of Adam Miller that KY still has a chance to get is Jaden Hardy. Kentucky has even now offered Podziemski. I think Adam and Oscar would start at 99% of D1 schools next year, and that includes Kentucky. There's just not any 5 star freshmen even out there that could challenge really good upperclassmen players.
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Could be, and it is possible. I just noticed that this season Kentucky was 9-16 in part due to Cal's stubbornness toward playing guys that are better NBA prospects ahead of players who are currently better college players. If he sticks to this, Miller will be about 6th or 7th man (at least early in the season) IMO.
I agree that Miller is probably better than those guys at this moment, but Cal tends to look at how good the kid will be in the NBA. I don't see Miller getting that first shot until those freshmen clearly flop (IF they clearly flop).
 
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CurbeloYourEnthusiasm said:
She could also talk to the mothers of Tyler Herro, Malik Monk, Jamal Murray, D'Aaron Fox, Devin Booker, and many others...and get a different opinion. And you're probably thinking "No comparison because Adam Miller isn't close to those players". And I agree, but Adam Miller probably thinks he is as good as those guys. And if he's put into Cal's system, that he'll show out like they did. There's a reason guys pick Kentucky. And if Miller picks KY, then I'll say well good luck. I don't consider it a slap in the face. Its not like Miller is transferring to some horrible school to put up a bunch of shots like DePaul, or of he just went to another comparable school of Illinois, this is Kentucky. There's very little recruiting battles any school will win against Kentucky if the choice is KY vs non-blue bloods. I'm sure Huggins would have preferred keeping Oscar too. In fact, he was pretty pissed off when he left and basically claimed KY cheated by paying off his support group. Maybe KY is doing the same thing here with Adam? Who knows? But to act like the Millers don't know what they are doing if they went to Kentucky to play basketball is absurd. As I've said, the only way this transfer makes sense is if he chose a school like Kentucky. If he winds up like Jaquan Lyle, who left Ohio State after 2 productive seasons only to end up at a school like New Mexico - then it wouldn't make sense.

If I had a son that only wanted to make the NBA, and didn't care about anything else, I'd understand if he picked Kentucky. He'd be making his own decisions.
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I don’t think Kentucky (or Duke per se) is what gets a 5* kid to the NBA. Most of these one and drones are on the NBA radar already and would have been drafted out of high school, like Kobe, if the NBA rules allowed. I think loading a Kentucky with 5*s hurts many more of them then it helps. I don’t care enough to do the research, but I would bet the failure rate of Kentucky getting the 5*s to the NBA is 90%+. Would JA Morant be in the NBA is he went to Kentucky?
 
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CurbeloYourEnthusiasm said:
She could also talk to the mothers of Tyler Herro, Malik Monk, Jamal Murray, D'Aaron Fox, Devin Booker, and many others...and get a different opinion. And you're probably thinking "No comparison because Adam Miller isn't close to those players". And I agree, but Adam Miller probably thinks he is as good as those guys. And if he's put into Cal's system, that he'll show out like they did. There's a reason guys pick Kentucky. And if Miller picks KY, then I'll say well good luck. I don't consider it a slap in the face. Its not like Miller is transferring to some horrible school to put up a bunch of shots like DePaul, or of he just went to another comparable school of Illinois, this is Kentucky. There's very little recruiting battles any school will win against Kentucky if the choice is KY vs non-blue bloods. I'm sure Huggins would have preferred keeping Oscar too. In fact, he was pretty pissed off when he left and basically claimed KY cheated by paying off his support group. Maybe KY is doing the same thing here with Adam? Who knows? But to act like the Millers don't know what they are doing if they went to Kentucky to play basketball is absurd. As I've said, the only way this transfer makes sense is if he chose a school like Kentucky. If he winds up like Jaquan Lyle, who left Ohio State after 2 productive seasons only to end up at a school like New Mexico - then it wouldn't make sense.

If I had a son that only wanted to make the NBA, and didn't care about anything else, I'd understand if he picked Kentucky. He'd be making his own decisions.
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Back to Davion Mitchell comp...I think Davion makes NBA from Baylor in 3 years...after Auburn. Not so sure he does that at Kentucky. I dont know how many TRANSFERS Cal has received and boomeranged to the NBA...no doubt he's had
great success with one and dones.

Regardless I wish nothing but the best for Adam Miller.
 
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CurbeloYourEnthusiasm said:
She could also talk to the mothers of Tyler Herro, Malik Monk, Jamal Murray, D'Aaron Fox, Devin Booker, and many others...and get a different opinion. And you're probably thinking "No comparison because Adam Miller isn't close to those players". And I agree, but Adam Miller probably thinks he is as good as those guys. And if he's put into Cal's system, that he'll show out like they did. There's a reason guys pick Kentucky. And if Miller picks KY, then I'll say well good luck. I don't consider it a slap in the face. Its not like Miller is transferring to some horrible school to put up a bunch of shots like DePaul, or of he just went to another comparable school of Illinois, this is Kentucky. There's very little recruiting battles any school will win against Kentucky if the choice is KY vs non-blue bloods. I'm sure Huggins would have preferred keeping Oscar too. In fact, he was pretty pissed off when he left and basically claimed KY cheated by paying off his support group. Maybe KY is doing the same thing here with Adam? Who knows? But to act like the Millers don't know what they are doing if they went to Kentucky to play basketball is absurd. As I've said, the only way this transfer makes sense is if he chose a school like Kentucky. If he winds up like Jaquan Lyle, who left Ohio State after 2 productive seasons only to end up at a school like New Mexico - then it wouldn't make sense.

If I had a son that only wanted to make the NBA, and didn't care about anything else, I'd understand if he picked Kentucky. He'd be making his own decisions.
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I think it's good for college players to make their own decision...not sure that's case here
 
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Really believe the lack of a backup PG could be a problem next year. If AM has that capability, would believe he would have had a chance to demonstrate it. They did play Ayo, Dre, and Trent together with all having PG abilities and each had a chance to demonstrate those capabilities. Have no idea of driver to leave but suspect it is more emotional than rational.
 
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Ga65 said:
Really believe the lack of a backup PG could be a problem next year. If AM has that capability, would believe he would have had a chance to demonstrate it. They did play Ayo, Dre, and Trent together with all having PG abilities and each had a chance to demonstrate those capabilities. Have no idea of driver to leave but suspect it is more emotional than rational.
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Totally agree with your last sentence.
 
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illinitiger said:
Yeah... I expect if Millers mom talked to Matthew's and Whitney's mom she would steer him far away from Cal.
I learned along time ago as a hiring mgr, check REFERENCES. Same applies for coaches.
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I agree and if Millers mom talked to JCL and Mark Smith’s moms she would steer away from Illinois. Always have like and dislikes of Coaches, doctors, or whatever profession you are talking about.
 
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Muskie2368 said:
I agree and if Millers mom talked to JCL and Mark Smith’s moms she would steer away from Illinois. Always have like and dislikes of Coaches, doctors, or whatever profession you are talking about.
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Do any of these recruits and their families spend time watching the programs that are recruiting them? Seems to me like a lot of this with most recruits could be solved by watching a game or two, talking to the coach, and deciding where the said recruit fits in. If the recruit doesn't thing any part of that doesn't add up to what he wants, THEN PICK A DIFFERENT SCHOOL... I know sometimes things happen and a player needs to transfer after he has been at a school, but this trend in recent years with transfers seems more like players and their families not judging themselves properly in the beginning.
 
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Ga65 said:
Really believe the lack of a backup PG could be a problem next year. If AM has that capability, would believe he would have had a chance to demonstrate it. They did play Ayo, Dre, and Trent together with all having PG abilities and each had a chance to demonstrate those capabilities. Have no idea of driver to leave but suspect it is more emotional than rational.
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Most of the scouts I respect described Miller as an undersized SG (as projected to the NBA level), and if anything, this year reinforced that. If you've followed Illinois basketball over the years, the forums are full of posts that so-n-so combo guard can be a PG, and most of the time, it's doesn't pan out. I think it's more common that a good PG can play as a combo or SG. If you lack the vision, handles, and passing you need to be a good PG, that's a big ask.

That's not trying to knock Miller, btw --I think he's got the talent to make it to the league. He's got to become more explosive and confident driving against competent big men, and he's got to keep improving his ability to get off his perimeter shot. If he develops a mid-range, that would be gravy.
 
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thedrunkreferee said:
Good for you 👍🏻 it’s obvious the kid doesn’t want to be at Illinois. There’s no “narrative”. He’s in the transfer portal.
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Your comment was “and we want this kid back?” I interpreted that as you saying because his reaction to a rebound in a game that was not over yet wasn’t what you think it should have been, that we should not want him on our team. I found that to be a ludicrous conclusion. If I misinterpreted your post, then my bad.
 
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BretMyBeachHouse said:
Pretty sure that's not accurate. Lots of students never returned to campus.
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Yes you can choose not to return to campus but if you elect to be on campus you must follow testing protocol. One of his friends was expelled from schoool for not following protocols and had to petition for re-admission.
 
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CurbeloYourEnthusiasm said:
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The only one on this list that would play ahead of Adam Miller that KY still has a chance to get is Jaden Hardy. Kentucky.
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So he would not be competing against top NBA prospects at practice? Instead, he would likely compete with Davion Mintz, Kellan Grady, Nolan Hickman, and Dontaie Allen. That might be better for potential 'tick', but part of your premise is the high level of internal competition.

UK and Duke lead in putting players in the league. Is that because they are better at developing talent, or because they recruit better talent?
 
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