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<blockquote data-quote="ILLHangOut" data-source="post: 1268059" data-attributes="member: 176496"><p>I am not privy to the inner workings of the the coaching staff, but my hunch is that the primary issue is Groce's refusal to replace his assistants. I hypothesize, without any insight into the staff, that Brandon Miller was essential for Groce's early success in year one. </p><p></p><p>Here are two articles from 2012 and 2013 involving Groce with the usage of advanced metrics and tempo free stats. In my opinion this year's advanced metrics and usage statistics are so far skewed from the philosophy presented in these articles either Groce has radically altered his philosophy, or his assistants are incapable of delivering for him. </p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/23/sports/ncaabasketball/rise-of-ohio-coach-groce-fueled-by-drive-and-coffee.html" target="_blank">http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/23/sports/ncaabasketball/rise-of-ohio-coach-groce-fueled-by-drive-and-coffee.html</a></p><p></p><p><a href="http://athlonsports.com/college-basketball/advanced-stats-become-integral-part-basketball-scouting-evaluation" target="_blank">http://athlonsports.com/college-basketball/advanced-stats-become-integral-part-basketball-scouting-evaluation</a></p><p></p><p>Let's just casually compare the 2012/13 season to this season. </p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/illinois/2013.html" target="_blank">http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/illinois/2013.html</a></p><p><a href="http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/illinois/2017.html" target="_blank">http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/illinois/2017.html</a></p><p></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Player_efficiency_rating" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Player_efficiency_rating</a></p><p></p><p>In 2012 DJ had the highest Efficiency Rating at 18.1, with BP3 the only other "Slightly Above Average" player at 17.7. Nanna and Tracy were the only "Rotation" players. While the remaining 4 rotation players were rated as "Non-Rotation" players.</p><p></p><p>This year we have 4 players rated higher than DJ was in 2012/13 (Malcom, Maverick, Tejon, and Finke). Malcom is rated as a "Definite All-Star", and Maverick as a "Borderline All-Star". Leron checks in after those four as a "Rotation Player".</p><p></p><p>The difference I believe is that in 2012/13 only 2.3% of the minutes were allotted to players with an Efficiency Rating below 11. This year a WHOPPING 23.2% of the minutes have been allocated to players in that category.</p><p></p><p>The problem I believe is that we aren't playing our best players according to the numbers. Its debatable amongst ourselves whether these statistics are relevant and accurately represent reality. There is ample evidence though that John Groce has adopted and welcomed these metrics throughout his career.</p><p></p><p>So, the question is why isn't he following their guidance?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ILLHangOut, post: 1268059, member: 176496"] I am not privy to the inner workings of the the coaching staff, but my hunch is that the primary issue is Groce's refusal to replace his assistants. I hypothesize, without any insight into the staff, that Brandon Miller was essential for Groce's early success in year one. Here are two articles from 2012 and 2013 involving Groce with the usage of advanced metrics and tempo free stats. In my opinion this year's advanced metrics and usage statistics are so far skewed from the philosophy presented in these articles either Groce has radically altered his philosophy, or his assistants are incapable of delivering for him. [URL]http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/23/sports/ncaabasketball/rise-of-ohio-coach-groce-fueled-by-drive-and-coffee.html[/URL] [URL]http://athlonsports.com/college-basketball/advanced-stats-become-integral-part-basketball-scouting-evaluation[/URL] Let's just casually compare the 2012/13 season to this season. [URL]http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/illinois/2013.html[/URL] [URL]http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/illinois/2017.html[/URL] [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Player_efficiency_rating[/URL] In 2012 DJ had the highest Efficiency Rating at 18.1, with BP3 the only other "Slightly Above Average" player at 17.7. Nanna and Tracy were the only "Rotation" players. While the remaining 4 rotation players were rated as "Non-Rotation" players. This year we have 4 players rated higher than DJ was in 2012/13 (Malcom, Maverick, Tejon, and Finke). Malcom is rated as a "Definite All-Star", and Maverick as a "Borderline All-Star". Leron checks in after those four as a "Rotation Player". The difference I believe is that in 2012/13 only 2.3% of the minutes were allotted to players with an Efficiency Rating below 11. This year a WHOPPING 23.2% of the minutes have been allocated to players in that category. The problem I believe is that we aren't playing our best players according to the numbers. Its debatable amongst ourselves whether these statistics are relevant and accurately represent reality. There is ample evidence though that John Groce has adopted and welcomed these metrics throughout his career. So, the question is why isn't he following their guidance? [/QUOTE]
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