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<blockquote data-quote="MA Illini" data-source="post: 1708002" data-attributes="member: 56555"><p>To put Ortiz in the same PED category as Bonds and Clemons is pretty crazy. The dude supposedly tested positive in 2003 under the closed testing program (it could have been Ritalin, it could have been a false positive, it could have been supplements) and then never tested positive during the actual program which ran during the rest of his career when all of his major accomplishments happened. Ortiz, umm, didn't exactly have the build and body of HGH or anabolic steroid user, right? It's not like he hit age 27 and then became muscle bound like Bonds and his hands and feet grew 5 sizes. Bonds played 17 years before there was any testing. Ortiz probably stayed healthy and productive for a long time probably because he just played DH all the time. Whether media bias or not, he hit 500 hr, won 3 world series, and is one of the best postseason hitters of all time. He hit 0.688 in the WS win over the Cardinals in 2013 even though they barely would pitch to him - probably a top 3 playoff individual series hitting performance of all time.</p><p></p><p>Is that first ballot? Maybe, maybe not. Well, it helps when the rest of the ballot has no other inductees. Ortiz has the same career WAR as Mariano Rivera who was another "specialist". All of Ortiz stats suggest he is a hall of fame and the DH argument is a relevant one, but the postseason success is way more high profile than not playing a below-average first base.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MA Illini, post: 1708002, member: 56555"] To put Ortiz in the same PED category as Bonds and Clemons is pretty crazy. The dude supposedly tested positive in 2003 under the closed testing program (it could have been Ritalin, it could have been a false positive, it could have been supplements) and then never tested positive during the actual program which ran during the rest of his career when all of his major accomplishments happened. Ortiz, umm, didn't exactly have the build and body of HGH or anabolic steroid user, right? It's not like he hit age 27 and then became muscle bound like Bonds and his hands and feet grew 5 sizes. Bonds played 17 years before there was any testing. Ortiz probably stayed healthy and productive for a long time probably because he just played DH all the time. Whether media bias or not, he hit 500 hr, won 3 world series, and is one of the best postseason hitters of all time. He hit 0.688 in the WS win over the Cardinals in 2013 even though they barely would pitch to him - probably a top 3 playoff individual series hitting performance of all time. Is that first ballot? Maybe, maybe not. Well, it helps when the rest of the ballot has no other inductees. Ortiz has the same career WAR as Mariano Rivera who was another "specialist". All of Ortiz stats suggest he is a hall of fame and the DH argument is a relevant one, but the postseason success is way more high profile than not playing a below-average first base. [/QUOTE]
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