Blackhawks '21

#151      

bdutts

bdutts
Houston, Texas
bdutts
I'm ok with the trade and the contract. Or I should say, I don't hate it like most do. Next year's first round pick is lottery protected so it would move to 2023 if they get one of the top two. Not to mention, they can still reshape the roster and get a first round pick back. With the supposed depth of next year's draft, they could be middle and still come up with a great player.

Jones is something they don't have anywhere in the org and he's still young (will turn 27 in October) so he SHOULD be in the prime of his career. Shaw and Seabrook LTIR will eat a lot of that salary and Toews and Kane's contract is up in two years(?) so it's not like they don't have the space.

Someone changed the direction of the org from rebuild to something else with this move. Not sure what the something else is, but it's not a full on rebuild anymore.
 
#154      

Joel Goodson

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Colliton seems to be a VG communicator and younger players/prospects seem to really like him. Just not convinced an old warhorse is the answer here. We've been in development mode since Colliton got the job. With Jones, the timetable changed. The Hawks will have to make the playoffs, otherwise Colliton will get axed.
 
#155      

SnakePlissken

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Joel Goodson said:
Colliton seems to be a VG communicator and younger players/prospects seem to really like him. Just not convinced an old warhorse is the answer here. We've been in development mode since Colliton got the job. With Jones, the timetable changed. The Hawks will have to make the playoffs, otherwise Colliton will get axed.
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I guess my point is that I see Colliton as a replacement level coach. I would have been happy bringing in Gallant, but I'd also be optimistic that <insert coach here> would be an improvement.

I do think the problems the past 4 years have been primarily due to the roster, regardless of whether Q or JC was coaching. That said, I think it's a bit of revisionist history to say the Hawks have been in development mode since JC was hired. Last year is the only year they were explicitly rebuilding.

If I were Stan I would have cut bait after 2019-20, but he didn't, so hopefully I'm very wrong and it all looks a lot better with a proper #1 D and whatever other pieces we add.
 
#159      

Joel Goodson

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Joel Goodson said:
Jones needs to be at least very good, or this won't end well.
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Just to be clear, I fully believe Jones has it in him to be a true #1 (top 15 D man). Probably even better. But absolutely a big question mark. Not much of a fancy stats guy, but last season wasn't good and the previous one lacked too. Bowman is really rolling the bones here.
 
#160      

Shane Walsh

Shane Walsh
aka "Captain Oblivious"
Cynthiana, Kentucky
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This move has me worried about the future of Toews. Could they be looking to acquire their new C in Jones?
 
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Joel Goodson

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Shane Walsh said:
This move has me worried about the future of Toews. Could they be looking to acquire their new C in Jones?
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With the decline of Keith, we've needed a #1 D baaaaad for a few seasons now. That's what the trade was all about, nothing to do with Toews. No one knows how well Toews is going to play.
 
#162      

jrmarcus

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IlliniFaninHoosierLand said:
Seeing some early reports that supposedly the Blue Jackets wanted Dach or DeBrincat as part of the deal for Seth Jones and the Blackhawks said no.
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Some of the early reports said the CBJ wanted Dach AND DeBrincat, AND Boqvist or Mitchell, AND a 1st round pick. That's hard to believe, but I had read that initially.
 
#170      

Joel Goodson

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I like McCabe, but he's coming off a serious knee injury. He may not be ready by season's start. Z wants 2nd pairing money, but he hasn't demonstrated 2nd pairing ability. He's a goner.