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<blockquote data-quote="SnakePlissken" data-source="post: 1779500" data-attributes="member: 746392"><p>I guess it depends on what your goals and expectations are for the franchise. You've mentioned morality and cast heavy dispersions on tanking, so I'm thinking you believe teams should make every effort to be competitive every year. Overall, I think this is a reasonable approach and I'd personally rather the Hawks be more like the Steelers or even the Bruins, where there seems to be a consistent emphasis on a winning culture from the top down. Those franchises don't bottom out, but I also don't think they are legit championship contenders at this point. That's where the "embrace the tank" motto is relevant. Some may think it's just a coincidence, but the reality is Cups in the last 10+ years have been won almost exclusively by teams with top 2 picks as stars. Toews was 3 OA and Makar 4 OA (and yes, I expect that kid to dominate for the next ~7 years), so maybe expand it to top 5. So if you want to be more than just competitive and actually win it all, the recent history says you need to draft superstars. As you know, all of the people who are paid to evaluate hockey talent believe there are multiple superstars in next year's draft.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Definitely agree with this, with another qualifier on what "success" means. If success is playoffs, that certainly could have been accomplished without blowing it up. If success is the Cup, I don't think there's any chance at all that would have happened. That window has been closed for several years now.</p><p></p><p>I'm not sure who this mythical "Smart Internet Guy" is that you are arguing against, but literally all paths have a low probability of winning a Cup. It's only a question of whether "blow it up" is better than other options. Yes, I miss playoff hockey and I'd like to be competitive, but honestly I'm still pretty satisfied from the 3 Cups, so if it's 5+ years before that happens again I'm not going to be mad about it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It's 100% true that Davidson is trying to be as bad as possible next year. I also think there's 0% chance that Davidson was thinking, "Boy, if I just don't tender Strome maybe Kaner will ask out." This team will be plenty bad with Toews and Kane on it. I hope you don't really think Davidson hasn't had real conversations with those two.</p><p></p><p>I do expect Kane to be dealt to a contender at the deadline. He's an absolute weapon for a playoff team at 50% retained and should bring a very nice return. There's zero reason for Kane to ask out right now. He's much better off waiting until the deadline to pick his destination.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Agreed. The plan clearly is to have 2 or 3 top 5 picks in the next 3 years, hope 2 of them turn out to be elite players, and then build another championship core around those guys. That's what Davidson sold to the Wirtz clan during the interview and he's executing on that. You may not like it, but it's a plan.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SnakePlissken, post: 1779500, member: 746392"] I guess it depends on what your goals and expectations are for the franchise. You've mentioned morality and cast heavy dispersions on tanking, so I'm thinking you believe teams should make every effort to be competitive every year. Overall, I think this is a reasonable approach and I'd personally rather the Hawks be more like the Steelers or even the Bruins, where there seems to be a consistent emphasis on a winning culture from the top down. Those franchises don't bottom out, but I also don't think they are legit championship contenders at this point. That's where the "embrace the tank" motto is relevant. Some may think it's just a coincidence, but the reality is Cups in the last 10+ years have been won almost exclusively by teams with top 2 picks as stars. Toews was 3 OA and Makar 4 OA (and yes, I expect that kid to dominate for the next ~7 years), so maybe expand it to top 5. So if you want to be more than just competitive and actually win it all, the recent history says you need to draft superstars. As you know, all of the people who are paid to evaluate hockey talent believe there are multiple superstars in next year's draft. Definitely agree with this, with another qualifier on what "success" means. If success is playoffs, that certainly could have been accomplished without blowing it up. If success is the Cup, I don't think there's any chance at all that would have happened. That window has been closed for several years now. I'm not sure who this mythical "Smart Internet Guy" is that you are arguing against, but literally all paths have a low probability of winning a Cup. It's only a question of whether "blow it up" is better than other options. Yes, I miss playoff hockey and I'd like to be competitive, but honestly I'm still pretty satisfied from the 3 Cups, so if it's 5+ years before that happens again I'm not going to be mad about it. It's 100% true that Davidson is trying to be as bad as possible next year. I also think there's 0% chance that Davidson was thinking, "Boy, if I just don't tender Strome maybe Kaner will ask out." This team will be plenty bad with Toews and Kane on it. I hope you don't really think Davidson hasn't had real conversations with those two. I do expect Kane to be dealt to a contender at the deadline. He's an absolute weapon for a playoff team at 50% retained and should bring a very nice return. There's zero reason for Kane to ask out right now. He's much better off waiting until the deadline to pick his destination. Agreed. The plan clearly is to have 2 or 3 top 5 picks in the next 3 years, hope 2 of them turn out to be elite players, and then build another championship core around those guys. That's what Davidson sold to the Wirtz clan during the interview and he's executing on that. You may not like it, but it's a plan. [/QUOTE]
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