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<blockquote data-quote="ChiefGritty" data-source="post: 1779516" data-attributes="member: 746137"><p>I'd say my view on the subject is that tanking is unsportsmanlike and poisonous to these teams and leagues as institutions, but that ultimately the responsibility lies with the leagues to tamp it out rather than the teams themselves.</p><p></p><p>But I also firmly believe (with variations for the different sports and different team situations) that tanking is both more difficult to do right and less likely to be successful even if you do than the conventional wisdom, and that this bad conventional wisdom is deeply rooted in the sports media and then modeled by fans.</p><p></p><p>Kane (and Marc Andre Fleury, btw) was the #1 pick, Toews and Dylan Strome were #3, and Seth Jones was #4. And Kane is unequivocally a superstar by any metric. This dog doesn't hunt for these Blackhawks, or really for hockey generally. I can't recall a team that was deep and good but just lacked the elite Hart Trophy-type sniper to get them over the hump. In fact a lot of teams like that do win Cups (the 2019 Blues spring immediately to mind, or the aforementioned Bruins). Whereas the NHL graveyard overflows with teams that had elite top line scorers but didn't have the quality in depth to grind out a playoff series, the Oilers being just the latest example.</p><p></p><p>(In the NBA of course it's very much the opposite, changing the tanking calculus there somewhat)</p><p></p><p>The latter is what the Hawks have lacked, with the salary cap admittedly a prime culprit, but poor coaching and GMing also prominent.</p><p></p><p>For the record, I acknowledge the reality that 2022-23 is a uniquely good year to be bad. But, draft capital in that draft has not been maximized.</p><p></p><p>Correct. Important to remember. The idea that if you're "courageous" enough to destroy your team you are rewarded with being the 2016 Cubs is a poisonous notion that's very widely held.</p><p></p><p>But that doesn't answer the question does it? Is it better than other options? There's such a deep ideology that open-ended total abandonment of any attempt at success is a "plan" in a way just trying to get better isn't. That's a non-falsifiable hypothesis.</p><p></p><p>The Hawks were closer to success a year ago than they are now. Both are bad situations, but this one is worse. And this would be a better situation if the intent was to use the rapidly opening cap space to try and install long term cornerstone talents starting next offseason, but that is absolutely not Davidson's intention, it is already clear. This is Hockey Hinkie.</p><p></p><p>Yup. The expectation of that big return is central to this strategy, let's see.</p><p></p><p>On this we precisely agree. And to call that a "plan" is I think, frankly, absurd. I don't really know what else to say. In five years this franchise will almost certainly be nowhere, even with Conor Bedard.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ChiefGritty, post: 1779516, member: 746137"] I'd say my view on the subject is that tanking is unsportsmanlike and poisonous to these teams and leagues as institutions, but that ultimately the responsibility lies with the leagues to tamp it out rather than the teams themselves. But I also firmly believe (with variations for the different sports and different team situations) that tanking is both more difficult to do right and less likely to be successful even if you do than the conventional wisdom, and that this bad conventional wisdom is deeply rooted in the sports media and then modeled by fans. Kane (and Marc Andre Fleury, btw) was the #1 pick, Toews and Dylan Strome were #3, and Seth Jones was #4. And Kane is unequivocally a superstar by any metric. This dog doesn't hunt for these Blackhawks, or really for hockey generally. I can't recall a team that was deep and good but just lacked the elite Hart Trophy-type sniper to get them over the hump. In fact a lot of teams like that do win Cups (the 2019 Blues spring immediately to mind, or the aforementioned Bruins). Whereas the NHL graveyard overflows with teams that had elite top line scorers but didn't have the quality in depth to grind out a playoff series, the Oilers being just the latest example. (In the NBA of course it's very much the opposite, changing the tanking calculus there somewhat) The latter is what the Hawks have lacked, with the salary cap admittedly a prime culprit, but poor coaching and GMing also prominent. For the record, I acknowledge the reality that 2022-23 is a uniquely good year to be bad. But, draft capital in that draft has not been maximized. Correct. Important to remember. The idea that if you're "courageous" enough to destroy your team you are rewarded with being the 2016 Cubs is a poisonous notion that's very widely held. But that doesn't answer the question does it? Is it better than other options? There's such a deep ideology that open-ended total abandonment of any attempt at success is a "plan" in a way just trying to get better isn't. That's a non-falsifiable hypothesis. The Hawks were closer to success a year ago than they are now. Both are bad situations, but this one is worse. And this would be a better situation if the intent was to use the rapidly opening cap space to try and install long term cornerstone talents starting next offseason, but that is absolutely not Davidson's intention, it is already clear. This is Hockey Hinkie. Yup. The expectation of that big return is central to this strategy, let's see. On this we precisely agree. And to call that a "plan" is I think, frankly, absurd. I don't really know what else to say. In five years this franchise will almost certainly be nowhere, even with Conor Bedard. [/QUOTE]
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