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<blockquote data-quote="FollowTisdale" data-source="post: 1512786" data-attributes="member: 619279"><p>Arenado plays half his games in Colorado, and Carpenter plays half his games in a pitchers park, which is why you don't just look at slash lines. </p><p></p><p>Carpenter's 2018 wRC+ (adjusted for park): 140, OPS+ (adjusted for park): 143. So about 40% better than your average hitter.</p><p>Arenado's 2018 wRC+: 132, OPS+: 133. So about 33% better than your average hitter, or not as good as Carpenter.</p><p></p><p>And I was just comparing offense, obviously Arenado is the better defender and the better overall player. You have to go back to 2015 to see the last season where Carpenter was better than Arenado by fWAR.</p><p></p><p>But your aren't just trading for the player, your trading for the player + contract. So giving up a ton of talent for a guy with a market contract who will probably opt out after 2 seasons just doesn't make much sense. They would have to give up talent, just because of the opportunity, but laying waste to the farm to acquire a guy with a market rate contract won't work. Same reason Kris Bryant the talent probably would be worth ATL's top 3 prospects, but Kris Bryant the talent + contract for ATL's top 3 prospects is laughable.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="FollowTisdale, post: 1512786, member: 619279"] Arenado plays half his games in Colorado, and Carpenter plays half his games in a pitchers park, which is why you don't just look at slash lines. Carpenter's 2018 wRC+ (adjusted for park): 140, OPS+ (adjusted for park): 143. So about 40% better than your average hitter. Arenado's 2018 wRC+: 132, OPS+: 133. So about 33% better than your average hitter, or not as good as Carpenter. And I was just comparing offense, obviously Arenado is the better defender and the better overall player. You have to go back to 2015 to see the last season where Carpenter was better than Arenado by fWAR. But your aren't just trading for the player, your trading for the player + contract. So giving up a ton of talent for a guy with a market contract who will probably opt out after 2 seasons just doesn't make much sense. They would have to give up talent, just because of the opportunity, but laying waste to the farm to acquire a guy with a market rate contract won't work. Same reason Kris Bryant the talent probably would be worth ATL's top 3 prospects, but Kris Bryant the talent + contract for ATL's top 3 prospects is laughable. [/QUOTE]
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