Chicago Bears 2023-2024

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Mr. Tibbs

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I dont wany any public money going to the stadium

But if they are redeveloping the other 70% of that land for hotels, stores, restaurants, offices, condos , Im okay with tax breaks for a while as the benefit to the area in jobs and tax base will FAR OUTWEIGH that.

You need to separate the stadium from the rest of the proposed development. Apples and oranges.

right now that land is generating basically little to no tax revenue. No one is working there and its basically farmland as is. Whoever develops it , if not the Bears, will get some sort of financial incentive to do it in a way to create all kinds of jobs and increased real estate tax base
 
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I actually think DeForest Buckner is the more likely player to get from the Colts but there's talk about Michael Pittman Jr. being included too. I'm more in the "load up on future picks if you can" camp. It'd be great to me if you could get a Herschel Walker type return which would be an extra second round pick this year, an extra first and second in 2024 and an extra first and second in 2025. If you could pull this off you can have lots of high draft picks on rookie contracts after Justin Fields signs his extension. It's also fun to have teams to root against because you have their picks.

Potentially, the Colts make the trade from 4 to 1 to guarantee themselves the first choice of QB and to hop Houston. Then one of the Raiders, Falcons, or Panthers trade up to 4 to get the 3rd QB off the board which might take all the QB's with 1st round grades off the board. This assumes that Bryce Young, CJ Stroud, and Will Levis are the in-demand QB prospects. In the 7-9 range you can probably get the best OL on your board, or a DE like Myles Murphy or Tyree Wilson. I think if you trade #4 down into the Titans/Jets/Commanders level the level of prospects you can get drops a lot.

If you can't trade out of #4, maybe because Arizona trades out of #3, then take Jalen Carter or Will Anderson if you think a ~245 lb. player can be a stud 4-3 DE.
If the Colts are in complete rebuild mode and are wanting Levis, I feel that Buckner is a nice piece to haul in. Like you said, if the Cards fall out of the three hole with Carolina or Vegas, Anderson falls into your lap at 4. You put Buckner and Anderson on the D line and you have upgraded the D instantly. The Bears can get into the playoff talk next year with this draft and free agency. GB and Minny will take a step back as Detroit and the Bears take a step forward.
 
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Ransom Stoddard

Ordained Dudeist Priest
Bloomington, IL
From "Economic Research - Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis" May, 2017:

"In spite of all of these economic arguments, economists generally oppose subsidizing professional sports stadiums. When surveyed, 86 percent of economists agreed that "local and state governments in the U.S. should eliminate subsidies to professional sports franchises." Perhaps economists just do not like sports? Actually, many economists love professional sports—including former Federal Reserve Chair Ben Bernanke, an ardent Washington Nationals fan. Rather, it is the provision of taxpayer money in the form of subsidies that economists generally oppose. In a 2017 poll, 83 percent of the economists surveyed agreed that "Providing state and local subsidies to build stadiums for professional sports teams is likely to cost the relevant taxpayers more than any local economic benefits that are generated." In their book, Sports, Jobs, and Taxes, Roger Noll and Andrew Zimbalist present a comprehensive review of stadium investments. In all cases, they find a new sports facility to have extremely small (or negative) effects on overall economic activity and employment. Furthermore, they were unable to find any facilities that had a reasonable return on investment. Sports economist Michael Leeds suggests that professional sports have very little economic impact, noting that a baseball team (with 81 regular-season home games per year) "has about the same impact on a community as a midsize department store." His research suggests that if every professional sports team in Chicago (including the Cubs, White Sox, Bears, Bulls, and Blackhawks) were to suddenly disappear, the economic impact on Chicago would be a fraction of 1 percent."

St. Louis knows something about public funds invested in private sports facilities.

I am a huge sports fan. I have enjoyed each of the Chicago and St. Louis sports venues. I just don't want my tax dollars being used for so little return.
I completely support this position, but I think there's more nuance surrounding the economic impact than just the team. The facilities, in some cases, have an impact beyond their primary sports tenant, whether it's concerts, conventions, auto shows, WWE, monster trucks, etc. etc. An NFL stadium should be in use in some form or fashion way more than 8-10 times a year, and many have more than 1 tenant (i/e NBA/NHL in the same arena, Football/Soccer, etc.).

None of which, however, should support the notion of taxpayer money supporting multi-million (or billion in some cases) corporations.
 
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This discussion is somewhat pointless my fellow Bear fans..... We all know that as long as the Halas/McCaskey family owns da Bears they will still suck. That glorious 85 season was a mistake that we got to enjoy just like da 2016 Cubbies. As long as we keep going to games, buying beer, and buying cable packages, what's their incentive to try to win?? Ownership/management of both franchises are a combination of greedy AND inept.

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I completely support this position, but I think there's more nuance surrounding the economic impact than just the team. The facilities, in some cases, have an impact beyond their primary sports tenant, whether it's concerts, conventions, auto shows, WWE, monster trucks, etc. etc. An NFL stadium should be in use in some form or fashion way more than 8-10 times a year, and many have more than 1 tenant (i/e NBA/NHL in the same arena, Football/Soccer, etc.).

Exactly. The Bears wouldn't be the only thing at that stadium. If they build that stadium, you can get things like the Final Four, CFP National Championship, and Super Bowl, and even WrestleMania there.

Heck, look at the most recent Super Bowl that was held. While the game was in Glendale, most of the other stuff associated with the game was held in Phoenix or Scottsdale.
 
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This discussion is somewhat pointless my fellow Bear fans..... We all know that as long as the Halas/McCaskey family owns da Bears they will still suck. That glorious 85 season was a mistake that we got to enjoy just like da 2016 Cubbies. As long as we keep going to games, buying beer, and buying cable packages, what's their incentive to try to win?? Ownership/management of both franchises are a combination of greedy AND inept.

Stay thirsty my Friends!!
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I don’t know that the McCaskeys are any more greedy than any other NFL owner. They’re not shy about spending money. I think they legitimately want to win. They just don’t have the slightest idea of what they’re doing.

They run the Bears as if it’s still the company team for the little factory town in Central Illinois and not a billion dollar big business. They went so long - over 60 years - with Papa George running the whole show that they never built up the type of corporate infrastructure and institutional knowledge needed to run a business of the size and scope of a modern NFL franchise. And a lot of the grandkids don’t seem particularly interested in acquiring the right skills for the job.

I don’t have any ill will towards Virginia, a sweet old lady by every account I’ve ever read. But it certainly appears that the Arlington Heights project and the Kevin Warren hiring are part of a plan to get the Bears ready for sale after she passes away. So, I think there are going to be some huge changes for the franchise over the next 5-ish years.
 
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Moore is only 25 and is signed through 2025. His guaranteed money is done after this upcoming season so if he doesn't pan out, they're not out any of that money. This past season was the first one in the last 4 where Moore didn't have at least 1,100 receiving yards. And that's considering the fact that he didn't have anything resembling an NFL caliber QB for most of that time.

The top of the 2024 draft is absolutely loaded too (Caleb Williams, Marvin Harrison Jr., and Brock Bowers will all be top 10 picks) so the Bears could get a fairly high pick in that year's draft if Carolina ends up being poor this season.

Assuming they don't trade down again, they could go after Skoronski, the OT from Northwestern, or either Quentin Johnson from TCU or Smith-Njigba from Ohio State if they go WR.
 
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If the Panthers draft Richardson Bears getting a top 2 pick and getting another similar haul for Caleb Williams or Maye is not that crazy of a thought
 
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We have 8 picks in the top 5 rds...also would we take Carter if he drops to the 9th pick?
 
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If I’m him and I’m not holding out this year, I’m playing my year at $20M and holding out when my contract goes below that, especially if #1s are getting $25M now.

I think there’s a pretty good chance that both the Bears and Moore plan to do an extension next offseason. Pretty standard after a guy of Moore’s quality reaches the end of his guaranteed years. Shouldn’t be any drama to it assuming he’s healthy and productive.
 
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