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<blockquote data-quote="LongLiveTheChief" data-source="post: 1651539" data-attributes="member: 748361"><p>Are you conveniently ignoring that in 2012 (or the year after Theo left Boston) they were dead last in the AL East?</p><p></p><p>Remember 2014 Cubs? Yeah we were better than the Red Sox that year. </p><p></p><p>Let’s not judge anyone by a downward trajectory everyone saw coming. The Cubs bet on Schwarber, Baez, Bryant, and Rizzo carrying the team for several years and in 2018/19/20 the offense fell flat on its face. There was no way we could keep them all. Had we been contending this year, maybe they make a trade or two the other way. Maybe if they had reached the NLCS last year we don’t trade Darvish. </p><p></p><p>Bottom line - if this core could have shown they could win again, and we STILL didn’t see action, then I get your point. They didn’t. The Cubs committed to the core, signing and trading for some veteran pitchers (see Quintana trade, Kimbrel eventually, Darvish signing). Retaining the core of offensive players next season would have cost an awful lot and would require cost controlled pitching. They tried to maximize on our young hitters - who have now aged out of arbitration and will be demanding a TON of money. This was the right move and has nothing to do with anyone not being willing to spend. The Cubs GAVE money away with pretty much every trade in order to get better prospects. They are not being cheap. The luxury tax penalties in baseball get very harsh very quickly. It’s why even the Yankees are not spending like the Yankees. The luxury tax is at best paying double for players, and at worst, costing draft picks too. Let’s not blame anyone for having a couple mediocre years. Pretty much every team has them, even the Red Sox you seem to think are in the upper echelon of baseball teams have had 2 90 loss seasons in the last 10 years. </p><p></p><p>Let’s give Hoyer some time to develop the deep farm system he has. </p><p></p><p>It’s worth remembering that sustained success really only comes after a multitude of rebuilds. The first rebuild will be a quick spurt, then replenish the farm system and start again. </p><p>After several of these shorter term successful seasons, your farm system becomes very deep and quality player after quality player is produced. </p><p></p><p>It largely hinges on scouting and player development - two areas the Cubs have been heavily applauded for approving across the baseball community. The Chicago Cubs will be good again fairly soon. Let’s not go all “100 years” based on a single trade deadline selling. </p><p></p><p>Good systems maximize player value. If that means trading mookie betts or Francisco lindor or Kris Bryant than so be it. Expiring contracts are trade bait when you are realistic about it. I’d much rather have a FO that is realistic and doesn’t hold onto fan emotions the way previous regimes have.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="LongLiveTheChief, post: 1651539, member: 748361"] Are you conveniently ignoring that in 2012 (or the year after Theo left Boston) they were dead last in the AL East? Remember 2014 Cubs? Yeah we were better than the Red Sox that year. Let’s not judge anyone by a downward trajectory everyone saw coming. The Cubs bet on Schwarber, Baez, Bryant, and Rizzo carrying the team for several years and in 2018/19/20 the offense fell flat on its face. There was no way we could keep them all. Had we been contending this year, maybe they make a trade or two the other way. Maybe if they had reached the NLCS last year we don’t trade Darvish. Bottom line - if this core could have shown they could win again, and we STILL didn’t see action, then I get your point. They didn’t. The Cubs committed to the core, signing and trading for some veteran pitchers (see Quintana trade, Kimbrel eventually, Darvish signing). Retaining the core of offensive players next season would have cost an awful lot and would require cost controlled pitching. They tried to maximize on our young hitters - who have now aged out of arbitration and will be demanding a TON of money. This was the right move and has nothing to do with anyone not being willing to spend. The Cubs GAVE money away with pretty much every trade in order to get better prospects. They are not being cheap. The luxury tax penalties in baseball get very harsh very quickly. It’s why even the Yankees are not spending like the Yankees. The luxury tax is at best paying double for players, and at worst, costing draft picks too. Let’s not blame anyone for having a couple mediocre years. Pretty much every team has them, even the Red Sox you seem to think are in the upper echelon of baseball teams have had 2 90 loss seasons in the last 10 years. Let’s give Hoyer some time to develop the deep farm system he has. It’s worth remembering that sustained success really only comes after a multitude of rebuilds. The first rebuild will be a quick spurt, then replenish the farm system and start again. After several of these shorter term successful seasons, your farm system becomes very deep and quality player after quality player is produced. It largely hinges on scouting and player development - two areas the Cubs have been heavily applauded for approving across the baseball community. The Chicago Cubs will be good again fairly soon. Let’s not go all “100 years” based on a single trade deadline selling. Good systems maximize player value. If that means trading mookie betts or Francisco lindor or Kris Bryant than so be it. Expiring contracts are trade bait when you are realistic about it. I’d much rather have a FO that is realistic and doesn’t hold onto fan emotions the way previous regimes have. [/QUOTE]
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