Chicago White Sox 2024

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Roundball Sage
splitter said:
Did not think i needed to use the /S on my last post. Will not use it on this one. Looks like the franchise is going to be rescued by the Navy Seals or they have found a use for Guaranteed Field if the Sox leave.
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Another use for The Rate Field? How about this: Years ago the Canadian Football League expanded into the United States. It only lasted a few years before they gave up on the idea and the teams were disbanded.

Maybe it's time to try again. Give 'The Rate Field' a new CFL team and let them play the likes of the WInnipeg Blue Bombers and the Toronto Argonauts. The South Side has needed a pro team since the Cardinals left. Let's learn to love three-down football and give the Bears some competition for attention.

(This was half s/ and half-not)
 
#327      
splitter
Roundball Sage said:
Another use for The Rate Field? How about this: Years ago the Canadian Football League expanded into the United States. It only lasted a few years before they gave up on the idea and the teams were disbanded.

Maybe it's time to try again. Give 'The Rate Field' a new CFL team and let them play the likes of the WInnipeg Blue Bombers and the Toronto Argonauts. The South Side has needed a pro team since the Cardinals left. Let's learn to love three-down football and give the Bears some competition for attention.

(This was half s/ and half-not)
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Really really like the half s/ comment. Kind of reminds me of the way the Sox season has gone and the way the team was put together. šŸš«S
 
#329      
Roundball Sage
splitter said:
Really really like the half s/ comment. Kind of reminds me of the way the Sox season has gone and the way the team was put together. šŸš«S
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Were the Sox actually put together or were they what was left when Management tossed everything out on the floor -- gave away their good china -- and kept all the other broken and chipped pieces?

I like watching Canadian football. The three-down game and wider field is a faster style of football as teams have two downs really to get to their next first down. And it's more back and forth since you can stop your opponent on just two downs to get the ball back if they don't go for it on Third Down. You can get back into games faster if you fall behind. I also like the idea of getting a point when your opponent doesn't get the ball out of their end zone.

Chicago loves football and the Bears will always rule. But Chicago is also a large World-class City (even with its many problems) and types of games from 'elsewhere' can take a hold on it with the diverse population. Look at the growth of soccer in the United States (not necessarily the Fire) and see how people are embracing leagues beyond the legacy Big Four sports.

Years ago they tried a soccer league in the USA and a team that played at Comiskey Park. But America was not yet ready to embrace that kind of football. That was also around the time that the White Sox were going into the dumper as a franchise after their many years of having great success.
 
#330      
splitter
Roundball Sage said:
Were the Sox actually put together or were they what was left when Management tossed everything out on the floor -- gave away their good china -- and kept all the other broken and chipped pieces?

I like watching Canadian football. The three-down game and wider field is a faster style of football as teams have two downs really to get to their next first down. And it's more back and forth since you can stop your opponent on just two downs to get the ball back if they don't go for it on Third Down. You can get back into games faster if you fall behind. I also like the idea of getting a point when your opponent doesn't get the ball out of their end zone.

Chicago loves football and the Bears will always rule. But Chicago is also a large World-class City (even with its many problems) and types of games from 'elsewhere' can take a hold on it with the diverse population. Look at the growth of soccer in the United States (not necessarily the Fire) and see how people are embracing leagues beyond the legacy Big Four sports.

Years ago they tried a soccer league in the USA and a team that played at Comiskey Park. But America was not yet ready to embrace that kind of football. That was also around the time that the White Sox were going into the dumper as a franchise after their many years of having great success.
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They have broken most of their fine china or given it away at yard sales. Now are eating off of mismatched paper plates. Fine for a Tuesday night meal in front of the TV, but we are talking about a Major league in a World Class City.

i have liked watching Canadian football when it was regularly on tv. Did not have interest in any one team so it was enjoyable to watch for the sport. A Canadian friend was from Ottawa, but that team had folded (several times i think) so he had lost interest. As for soccer, i could never get interested in playing or watching. Kind of like hockey on grass instead of ice, without any of the action. Stayed at the same hotel as the New York Liberty and met Pele at the continental breakfast. My limited Spanish was thankfully interrupted by a lot of young fans wanting his autograph. i backed away and he smiled and nodded to me. I did buy a Tampa Rowdies tshirt, but only because it said "soccer is a kick in the grass" on the back. Fan of that line but not even Pele could make be a fan of soccer.

Love the pop-up of the baseball field on the 78 site. Jerry needs to pay off what is owed on the Rate property and get the 78-project going. He wants to live to be 100 so there is plenty of time. Might take that long to get the Sox back on track be relevant (mediocre} again.

I think i will start taking my mother's advice. "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all". See you in 2027. /S sorry Mom
 
#331      
Roundball Sage
splitter said:
A Canadian friend was from Ottawa, but that team had folded (several times i think) so he had lost interest.
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Ottawa got a team back again in 2014. They won the Grey Cup in 2016 so those folks have someone to cheer for again.

splitter said:
As for soccer, i could never get interested in playing or watching.
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It's not an easy game to play or watch. When most games end 1-1 or 2-0 it means that most of the 90-plus minutes ends in failures to score and lots of mid-field play. World Sports fans are used to that kind of pace and failure... but that's tough for many of the rest of us. I do watch it though when it is on -- at least for a while.

splitter said:
Love the pop-up of the baseball field on the 78 site. Jerry needs to pay off what is owed on the Rate property and get the 78-project going. He wants to live to be 100 so there is plenty of time. Might take that long to get the Sox back on track be relevant (mediocre} again.
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As a generational Sox fan I would like the same future of a new park and a new beginning. But my trust level in certain people doing the right things to make that happen is not real strong right now. I am left wondering if all we will have left one day soon is memories.
 
#335      
Roundball Sage
Kinkyfish said:
A few things I miss as a life long Sox fanā€¦.
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I miss the days when the Sox ruled Chicago like no other baseball team. The Sox were the team for Adults (and City Leaders like Old South-Sider Mayor Daley) and the Sox were winners and gave the Mighty Yanks all they could handle for nearly 20 years. The North Side Ball Club was for Kids and they lost lots and lots and lots of games but no one cared. Adults ignored them, and the kids were just happy to not be in school and at the park or watching on WGN in between their other cartoon shows.

These were the great days of the 1950s and 1960s (until 1968) of which my elders speak glowingly and lovingly. And those great pics of Aparicio sliding into second base with another steal or Nellie wielding the bat like a magic wand just add to the lore. And the pitching? Good Lord, they had some great pitchers.

After that... I miss the magic of the South Side Hit Men when Sox Park got as loud as old Chicago Stadium during playoff games at times. The park was rocking and the ball was flying out of the park from lethal Sox bats. If only Bill Veeck had the money to keep building on that great team ---but he didn't and later had to sell. And we know who ended up buying the Sox and what that has meant to the franchise for the past 40 years.

Now the best thing about Sox games is getting out of the park and back home in one piece.
 
#337      
Gary J
I liked disco demolition. Other than that the old ballpark was a dump. And the team except for 2005 has been bad most years. The 1983 win ugly was lucky.
 
#338      
Gary J
Reinsdork got a free ballpark and built a cookie cutter 70s park. It is an abomination to spend that money and end up with a dumpy park. Look at the park in Houston or Baltimore and so on.
 
#339      
IlliniFaninHoosierLand
Gary J said:
Reinsdork got a free ballpark and built a cookie cutter 70s park. It is an abomination to spend that money and end up with a dumpy park. Look at the park in Houston or Baltimore and so on.
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Not sure how you think Guaranteed Rate looks similar to Three Rivers Stadium or Busch Stadium II or Veterans Stadium. It and Camden Yards both opened around the same time.
 
#340      
Gary J
The rate is a bad ballpark. And yes it reminds of old bush stadium or the astrodome only outdoors. It is a boring field
 
#341      
IlliniFaninHoosierLand
Gary J said:
The rate is a bad ballpark. And yes it reminds of old bush stadium or the astrodome only outdoors. It is a boring field
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Right, but it's nowhere near the same type of stadium as those. While it's true that the park was already considered outdated by the time it opened, saying it's the same type of ballpark as those too isn't really true.
 
#342      
ChiIllini75
It is famously the last stadium built before Camden kicked off the "retro" trend other stadiums have followed since. They have tried to refit it a few times since it opened to feel more like those newer retro parks, to little avail. If you can recall the original launch of the Rate (the blue seats!), it was very much a newish version of Busch, Three Rivers, etc.
 
#345      
Mr. Tibbs
the Rate is what you got back then when you were renters and a team owned by Reinsdorf
 
#346      
Roundball Sage
Gary J said:
Fine. Enjoy the rate. I think it is disgraceful
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The Rate is simply... Second Rate. It was from the moment the paint dried and the grass was laid out and the first overpriced beer was sold by a vendor.

The place has no soul. It is bland and cold feeling. It is laid out in the wrong direction in terms of movement of the sun during the day.

Comiskey Park was ancient and falling apart and needed to be replaced... but it had character and it felt like home for many generations of Sox fans. Thatā€™s what a ball park should feel like... not like some corporate office with a bad floor plan that you canā€™t wait to go home from.

They quickly began to realize their ā€˜newā€™ ballpark design flaws (like with that horrific upper deck) and tried to make some modifications but that doesnā€™t work whe the fundamentals are wrong.

Thatā€™s why its so hard to find optimism that the guys who run this outfit are doing to do the right thing for Chicago and Sox fans going forward.
 
#348      
gibb52
I've been to GRF once (Cardinal fan). It reminds me of something Moscow would have built in the 60's. Very sterile. But you got what you got and have to make the best of it.
 
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