College Football Playoff / Bowl Selections

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Pure speculation but if Ohio state hadn’t lost to Oregon they would have as good of a case as Georgia.
OSU had two shots and blew both. If they beat Oregon OR Michigan, they're in and it would have been at the expense of Cincinnati. They had Cincy boxed out in each and every poll. Georgia would have been in under any scenario. Pure speculation there too Their one loss, by far, was of the best quality....as ridiculous as that sounds.
 
#29      
Here is the list of bowls that B1G teams will be involved in (all times Central):

-Guaranteed Rate Bowl (Dec. 28th, 9:15 PM, ESPN): Minnesota vs. West Virginia
-New Era Pinstripe Bowl (Dec. 29th, 1:15 PM, ESPN): Maryland vs. Virginia Tech
-TransPerfect Music City Bowl (Dec. 30th, 2:00 PM, ESPN): Purdue vs. Tennessee
-Chick-fil-A Peach Bowl (Dec. 30th, 6:00 PM, ESPN): Michigan State vs. Pittsburgh
-SRS Distribution Las Vegas Bowl (Dec. 30th, 9:30 PM, ESPN): Wisconsin vs. Arizona State
-Capital One Orange Bowl (Dec. 31st, 6:30 PM, ESPN): Michigan vs. Georgia
-Outback Bowl (Jan. 1st, 11:00 AM, ESPN2): Penn State vs. Arkansas
-Vrbo Citrus Bowl (Jan. 1st, Noon, ABC): Iowa vs. Kentucky
-Rose Bowl Game presented by Capital One Venture X (Jan. 1st, 4:00 PM, ESPN): Ohio State vs. Utah


Thoughts? Predictions?
Wisconsin and tOSU I believe will be the only winners. Just a gut feeling, some tough matches in there for power style B10
 
#30      
ND got smoked by Cincinnati this year and they didn't have to play a conference championship game. They're body of work(I despise the term) makes them more worthy of a second crack at a team that beat them(Cincy) and a second chance at winning a national championship?

The NCAA did this to themselves when they got rid of the bowl system to determine it's champion and put the playoff in place. They put a panel in place to determine who the four best teams in the country are the play for the championship. Your issue is the entertainment value and really not wanting to see a part 2, which I understand. I'm not thrilled to see a sequel either.

All that said, the two best teams, whether it be on paper or by looking at each team separately, is Georgia and Alabama. We could get into the question on whether Cincy even belongs there, but that's a whole different can of worms.

This is only going to get worse with the additions of Texas and Oklahoma into the SEC in 2025. There's a super conference in play now and the potential of three teams from the SEC being in the playoffs is very real. If Oklahoma, Alabama and Georgia were all 11-1 and we had a situation like this year where all major conference teams had a ding on their records.... now what?

So, from an entertainment value standpoint, I agree with you, but given the task they(the committee) had....they got it right IMO.
Just a note that the NCAA has nothing to do with this format. The CFP was designed entirely by the 10 FBS conferences + ND. School presidents and chancellors govern the event, the 11 ADs manage it. That collective group selects the committee, who selects the teams.
 
#31      
The fact that they still select the teams from a subjective committee is the issue here.

For March Madness (and I know it’s not a complete Apples to Apples comparison) there are a couple ways to qualify. But one of them is the conference championship route.

The MM format is willing to leave out some of the P5 schools that didn’t perform as well and allow other schools from small conferences a chance to take the higher (13-16 ish) seeds all based on winning the conference tourney.

Bottom line: MM isn’t filled with the 64(68) best teams in the nation.

I’d rather see the CFP look like that. Maybe expand it to 6 teams and include all P5 champions and the best G5 team. That way the selection is ALL based on winning. No subjectivity about who’s losses are better or worse or which 2 loss team should still be in it or out.

If you want in, you gotta win. It’s all about the on field performance.

And it’s not like those other teams that are really good (and get left out) can’t still play a post season game. The other bowls will still exist.

Just my $.02.
 
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#32      
Here are the College Football Playoff match-ups:

-Goodyear Cotton Bowl Classic: #4 Cincinnati (13-0) vs. #1 Alabama (12-1)
-Capital One Orange Bowl: #3 Georgia (12-1) vs. #2 Michigan (12-1)

Notre Dame was ranked #5. Ohio State was ranked #6.

I foresee a 63-14 Cotton Bowl Classic.

I think Michigan has a good chance against Georgia. Michigan-Alabama on paper looks like a good national championship. Better than an all $EC champ game.
 
#33      
Alabama belongs in the playoff. They somehow embarrassed a Georgia defense that hadn’t given up more than 17 points all year. But I think the committee deliberately made sure they don’t play Georgia again in the semi so that the SEC is in more CFP games. Georgia should be ranked 4 and arguably lower after getting routed by Alabama.
I thought GA should have dropped out of the CFP and Notre Dame take the 4 seed.

1. Michigan
2. Alabama
3. Cincinnati
4 Notre Dame

If I were king of the world.
 
#34      
I thought GA should have dropped out of the CFP and Notre Dame take the 4 seed.

1. Michigan
2. Alabama
3. Cincinnati
4 Notre Dame

If I were king of the world.
Notre Dame is very over ranked in my opinion. They only played 4 teams with winning records. They lost to Cincinnati, and beat Wisconsin (8-4), Purdue (8-4) and Toledo (7-5).
 
#35      
Notre Dame is very over ranked in my opinion. They only played 4 teams with winning records. They lost to Cincinnati, and beat Wisconsin (8-4), Purdue (8-4) and Toledo (7-5).
Also, played 4 away games. Another benefit of the independent schedule.
 
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Also, played 4 away games. Another benefit of the independent schedule.
ND also doesn't play any FCS schools. Alabama, Georgia and Cincy each did so. Michigan did not

Regular season only:
Alabama played 7 home, 4 away games and 1 neutral site game
Georgia played 6 home, 5 away and 1 neutral site
Michigan played 7 home and 5 away
Cincinnati played 6 home and 6 away. They also hosted their conference championship game.
ND played 7 home, 4 away and 1neutral site. Their neutral site game was at Solider Field, and they were technically the away team.
 
#38      
Crazy to me that people think a one loss team with the #52 SOS, a loss to the #4 team, and zero wins against ranked opponents should be in over a one loss team with the #20 SOS, a loss to the #1 team, and 3 wins against ranked opponents. It was a no-brainer.
I think that Georgia making the CFP is very reasonable. The ESPN/SEC bias comes into play when both Alabama leap frogs Michigan AND Georgia only drops 2 places to land at 3 so there is no rematch in the semi. Ohio State dropped 4 slots after losing AT Michigan by fewer points.

There’s a fair amount of subjectivity in the CFP selection process. The committee could have just as easily made a case for Alabama and Georgia to be ranked so that they play in the semi but they didn’t so I claim SEC bias.
 
#39      
I think that Georgia making the CFP is very reasonable. The ESPN/SEC bias comes into play when both Alabama leap frogs Michigan AND Georgia only drops 2 places to land at 3 so there is no rematch in the semi. Ohio State dropped 4 slots after losing AT Michigan by fewer points.

There’s a fair amount of subjectivity in the CFP selection process. The committee could have just as easily made a case for Alabama and Georgia to be ranked so that they play in the semi but they didn’t so I claim SEC bias.
You really believe the 13 person committee is biased towards the SEC? Do you believe that the CFP selection process is independent, or highly connected to and influenced by ESPN? Of the 13 committee members, just 1 has direct and current ties to the SEC(Kentucky AD).

The 13 member CFP committee, the 62 member AP poll, and 63 member coaches poll all have the top 4, in the exact same order.

OSU dropped more, because it was 1) their second loss and 2) their first loss was to Oregon, who didn't even go on to win its conference. Georgia lost and had to drop. The choices were either #3 or #4. Arguments could be made for either, but I don't think what the committee ultimately picked, reflected bias. Ultimately, OSU was judged by the committee to be the best 2 loss team in the nation.
 
#40      
I think that Georgia making the CFP is very reasonable. The ESPN/SEC bias comes into play when both Alabama leap frogs Michigan AND Georgia only drops 2 places to land at 3 so there is no rematch in the semi. Ohio State dropped 4 slots after losing AT Michigan by fewer points.

There’s a fair amount of subjectivity in the CFP selection process. The committee could have just as easily made a case for Alabama and Georgia to be ranked so that they play in the semi but they didn’t so I claim SEC bias.
1. I don't get how not having Bama and Georgia play each other is SEC bias. The only way that's good for the SEC is if you think they're better than the other teams and it will yield you an all-SEC championship game. Otherwise, the SEC would prefer to have them play each other and guarantee one makes the championship game, right? And if they ARE the 2 better teams, then why would making them play each other in the semis be the right move?

2. This is driven by $$$. The worst thing for the CFP is bad matchups/blowouts in the championship game. It's hard to say whether the SEC teams are significantly better than Michigan or Cincinnati. If they are, the last thing you want is Alabama beating Cincinnati by 50 in your big finale. Better to get those lopsided matchups (if that's what they end up being) out of the way in the semis.
 
#41      
I think that Georgia making the CFP is very reasonable. The ESPN/SEC bias comes into play when both Alabama leap frogs Michigan AND Georgia only drops 2 places to land at 3 so there is no rematch in the semi. Ohio State dropped 4 slots after losing AT Michigan by fewer points.

There’s a fair amount of subjectivity in the CFP selection process. The committee could have just as easily made a case for Alabama and Georgia to be ranked so that they play in the semi but they didn’t so I claim SEC bias.
Probably because Bama has a clearly better resume, and UGA is quite deserving of #3 considering their entire body of work through the entire season.
 
#42      
1. I don't get how not having Bama and Georgia play each other is SEC bias. The only way that's good for the SEC is if you think they're better than the other teams and it will yield you an all-SEC championship game. Otherwise, the SEC would prefer to have them play each other and guarantee one makes the championship game, right? And if they ARE the 2 better teams, then why would making them play each other in the semis be the right move?

2. This is driven by $$$. The worst thing for the CFP is bad matchups/blowouts in the championship game. It's hard to say whether the SEC teams are significantly better than Michigan or Cincinnati. If they are, the last thing you want is Alabama beating Cincinnati by 50 in your big finale. Better to get those lopsided matchups (if that's what they end up being) out of the way in the semis.
I’m on board with your #2. And CFP/SEC/ESPN are basically one and the same, wanting to drive entertainment dollars. The subjective committee knows this and at some level is influenced by it. It’s human nature. Placing the 2 SEC teams in different semi games drives more total fan interest and viewership. The SEC wins because it guarantees 2 SEC games with a very good chance at a 3rd. If Alabama and Georgia play in the semi then the SEC is maxed at 2 games. Plus who outside of the SEC is really excited about seeing Alabama and Georgia again in the semi?

I just struggle with committee pretending that they completely ignore this and only focus on ranking teams 1 to 4 based on body of work, SOS, recent victories, blah, blah, blah. Baloney!! Unlike pro sports, as long as there is no pure objective process for determining the playoff teams and pairings there will be bias and/or claims of bias.
 
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JSpence

Evansville, IN
Notre Dame is very over ranked in my opinion. They only played 4 teams with winning records. They lost to Cincinnati, and beat Wisconsin (8-4), Purdue (8-4) and Toledo (7-5).
Agreed. ND is a fine team, but they simply haven't proven that they are playoff material.

If Georgia hadn't sucked and OkSt didn't let Baylor intercept them 14 times, we'd have a much more pleasant-looking playoff. But, here we are, with Alabama looking like the favorite. Again.
 
#44      
I think if Oklahoma St would've won against Baylor they would be the 4 seed over Georgia. Both resumes would've been nearly identical and conference championships are supposed to act as somewhat of a tie breaker in these situations. Of course there is a lot of subjectivity and the committee could've easily just used the "eye test" to leave it the same with minimal reasoning.
 
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Illinir1

Morris, IL
With regards to B1G teams that got bowl bids and those who didn't, I did a little exercise to look up each team's B1G rank (1-14) for total yds. of offense gained and for defense total yds. allowed. I summed each team's rank on offense and rank on defense, then sorted the teams from lowest total rank points to highest. For example, if a team was #4 in yds. gained by their offense and #7 in yds. allowed by their defense, their total rank points is 4 + 7 = 11. Results table is below. A few of the surprises to me:
1. Purdue is higher in the list than I would have thought
2. Nebraska!!! 3rd in total yards offense and 8th best yds. allowed defense. 1-8 conference and 3-9 overall. Can you say "underperformed"?
3. Michigan State total rank points 19 is the same as Illinois! MSU is ranked #11, was 7-2 in conference, 10-2 overall, had the B1G Coach of the year. Some serious smoke and mirrors there with the #14 yds. allowed defense (and #11 points/game allowed defense).
4. The last four teams in the list are the teams that did not get a bowl bid; Illinois 19, Rutgers 24, Indiana 24, Northwestern 25. Oh wait, darnit, take Rutgers out of that list. Shoulda, coulda, woulda Illinois.

TeamOff. Rank (Total Yds.)Def. Rank (Total Yds.)Total
Michigan246
Ohio State178
Purdue639
Wisconsin819
Nebraska3811
Minnesota9211
Penn State7512
Maryland41216
Iowa11617
Michigan State51419
Illinois10919
Rutgers131124
Indiana141024
Northwestern121325
 
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