Please look at the list from the Universtiy of guidelines, and then look at the article in which 2 students were suspended.
My argument on health & safety was in an earlier post about CTE.
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Please look at the list from the Universtiy of guidelines, and then look at the article in which 2 students were suspended.
My argument on health & safety was in an earlier post about CTE.
- st petersburg, fl
I agree. If those students so desire, I'm sure they can take the university to court regarding this, and would likely have a strong case.
More broadly, there's very rarely is there to be a right or wrong answer about this. in this country, a situation where many people have to make a small sacrifice to benefit a few people has historically been very difficult to sustain. while clearly not the same, there are parallels to this and the Affordable Care Act (aka Obamacare). That legislation was also clearly an effort to have many people pay a little to benefit a few people (i.e. the ~20% or so of the US population without health insurance). Obviously that had its political differences too. This is essentially the same thing but the few that are being helped are being helped with their lives (though i'd argue the cost of wearing a mask is minuscule to a vast majority of people, so the argument against wearing one baffles me). With the individualistic principles this country has been built on (and i'm not saying that's a bad thing), these types of situations will always be difficult.
Quite simply, the info is out there on CTE - as you say - very much is known. If players understand that and continue to play - that is their decision. The difference is that they can not pass that CTE on to me, my family, or other individuals via normal casual contact. There are fewer and fewer kids playing football because of this issue. I would guess that long term, unless they get even more strict about the rules, the sport may not survive.
- Cary, IL
They were encouraged not to go home.
- uh, Maine
It's too bad a small amount of U of I students decided they should continue partying after receiving positive test results resulting in a lockdown for U of I. C'mon. You can't wait a couple weeks in quarantine?
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/10/health/university-illinois-covid.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/10/health/university-illinois-covid.html
- uh, Maine
It's a shame that we don't have a better approach to testing than the haphazard approach the US has taken (not sure how the rest of the world tackles it). How can we make any sense of the results if these tests are all based on different systems/assumptions? :doh:
- Cary, IL
Carl T. Bergstrom, a professor of biology at the University of Washington in Seattle and an infectious disease expert, said most of the other large state universities were “opening and hoping for the best without doing any kind of serious testing or they’ve switched to largely online education.”
What the University of Illinois has tried to do is “pretty unusual,” Dr. Bergstrom said. “Being able to have an in-person semester at a school of that size with that kind of social atmosphere is really a remarkable accomplishment and I think they have a reasonable chance of pulling it off,” he said. “If it if it doesn’t work, they gave it a damn good try.”
It is good to see that the university is getting positive recognition. The 7 day positivity rate is back down to .9% through 9/8.
Thanks for the article. Good find.
We are in a really tricky spot because we didn't hold out quite long enough in lockdown so some good news is welcome.
It is very frustrating when the rest of the conference is all over the place. If all schools tested as much as us I don't think anyone would be playing. There has got to be schools out there that have to cancel because they can't budget in tests. If we say the Big Ten can't be like that, then I'm not sure we can treat the athletes like amateurs.
We are in a really tricky spot because we didn't hold out quite long enough in lockdown so some good news is welcome.
It is very frustrating when the rest of the conference is all over the place. If all schools tested as much as us I don't think anyone would be playing. There has got to be schools out there that have to cancel because they can't budget in tests. If we say the Big Ten can't be like that, then I'm not sure we can treat the athletes like amateurs.
The Atlantic put together a nice, freely available, rundown of how we keep ending up right where we were. I am putting The Atlantic right up front as a public service so everyone knows whether to believe it or not before they click!
- NW Suburbs
Exactly!! How can everyone not see that comparing apples to oranges will never result in useful conclusions.
- st petersburg, fl
On your first point - I responded around the same time you posted this, so won’t rehash that.
On the second point - I’m pretty sure you weren’t talking about CTE in the below quote
“ but I don't think we should be kidding ourselves that this is all about health and safety! A large number of students...”
- The Transfer Portal
Football - as an activity in a vacuum - doesn't seem especially risky. It's college that presents higher risk - for many reasons, including:
- college students are, for COVID purposes, adults; seems like they get it and pass it on as much as anyone else does (i.e. there's no benefit like we see as age goes down in younger school attendees)
- college students are coming from various places and mixing together, and frequently (as opposed to high school/grades school communities, where you're essentially drawing on one geographic area and these students are under parental supervision)
- University administrators and the NCAA have pretty significant incentives against taking a "bubble" approach with athletes, or doing anything differently than they do with the rest of the student body
These are the things that make college sports the most tangled knot (without even touching on additional items like the age of faculty or fans at college events vs. pro or HS ones). Aside from the fact that you have some really large people (OL/DL) who might have some added risk, football itself is, like IlliniBrave is suggesting (I think?) just one of many activities that can occur in a campus environment.
- college students are, for COVID purposes, adults; seems like they get it and pass it on as much as anyone else does (i.e. there's no benefit like we see as age goes down in younger school attendees)
- college students are coming from various places and mixing together, and frequently (as opposed to high school/grades school communities, where you're essentially drawing on one geographic area and these students are under parental supervision)
- University administrators and the NCAA have pretty significant incentives against taking a "bubble" approach with athletes, or doing anything differently than they do with the rest of the student body
These are the things that make college sports the most tangled knot (without even touching on additional items like the age of faculty or fans at college events vs. pro or HS ones). Aside from the fact that you have some really large people (OL/DL) who might have some added risk, football itself is, like IlliniBrave is suggesting (I think?) just one of many activities that can occur in a campus environment.
Yep, the steps you'd need to make things as safe as possible would shatter the already weak rationale upon which bigtime college sports rest. So you shut down or go forward knowing you're not making things as safe as possible.
To that point - U.S. coronavirus data is disturbing
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/11/us-...turbing-dr-fauci-says-in-disputing-trump.html
can you post an actual link to that article?
Okay, without going too far down a rabbit hole with COVID here (sorry, but it's relevant!)...
... if there IS a vaccine and ~150 million or more have been vaccinated by about January or February (some optimistic estimates have been in this range), what do you think the odds are we could actually ATTEND an Illini NCAA Tournament game in March? PERSONALLY, I think at that point it is entirely fair to start doing such things and advising people to be weary of the fact that the disease is still out there, but I could see the NCAA/colleges just wanting to wait, too.
I just want to see this Illini team in person so badly.
... if there IS a vaccine and ~150 million or more have been vaccinated by about January or February (some optimistic estimates have been in this range), what do you think the odds are we could actually ATTEND an Illini NCAA Tournament game in March? PERSONALLY, I think at that point it is entirely fair to start doing such things and advising people to be weary of the fact that the disease is still out there, but I could see the NCAA/colleges just wanting to wait, too.
I just want to see this Illini team in person so badly.
'having' a vaccine (assuming that it is in fact effective) and distributing it to the population and getting the population to actually take it (twice, as seems to be the necessity for vaccines being tested currently) are entirely different matters... as Fauci just said yesterday, even if a vacine is approved by early next year, it will be the end of the year before life would return to something approaching our former lives (e.g. large crowds gathered in the same place)
So we’re about a month into kids back on campuses, and while I read alarmist stories several weeks ago about hundreds, and in some cases thousands, of positive tests, I have not read about any influx of hospitalizations among students or university employees. Obviously it is great news if hospitalizations aren’t happening - anyone seen data on this? Has a single student or staffer in the U of Illinois (or, let’s say Alabama) community been hospitalized since classes resumed?
Are they “alarmist stories”about positive tests if they’re true stories about tests?