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I respect your opinion, however I do disagree with Ayo needing to play with a team with lower expectations. I do love Ayo as a player and even more as a person. I've been a Bulls fan for my entire life and I'm not just looking at this through orange tinted glasses. Ayo made the Rising-Stars all rookie team twice. He has played very well or else that would have not been the case. He has been voted in by his peers as being one of the better players in the NBA coming up and as stated, a rising star. So he deserves the credit for his achievements and hard work. He has excelled at every level he's ever played and he will do the same here. The Bulls always give away our best players and they go elsewhere and become Stars!

Okay. First of all, it's not possible to become a part of the Rising Stars All-rookie team twice. The Rising Stars game is rookies and sophomore players (along with G League players the last couple years). And if you want to get technical about it, he didn't actually get selected among the sophomore players last year. He was an injury replacement for Jalen Green. And while I will acknowledge that the Bulls do give away players, saying they're giving away their best players may be a bit of a stretch. Jimmy Butler has been a bit of a headcase for awhile now and I always felt that he could be a piece on a championship team but not the centerpiece of a championship team. Wendell Carter didn't show anything close to what he has shown in Orlando when he was in Chicago. Markannen I'll chalk up to bad coaching by Jim Boylen and what Markannen was surrounded with during the GarPax era.
 
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Okay. First of all, it's not possible to become a part of the Rising Stars All-rookie team twice. The Rising Stars game is rookies and sophomore players (along with G League players the last couple years). And if you want to get technical about it, he didn't actually get selected among the sophomore players last year. He was an injury replacement for Jalen Green. And while I will acknowledge that the Bulls do give away players, saying they're giving away their best players may be a bit of a stretch. Jimmy Butler has been a bit of a headcase for awhile now and I always felt that he could be a piece on a championship team but not the centerpiece of a championship team. Wendell Carter didn't show anything close to what he has shown in Orlando when he was in Chicago. Markannen I'll chalk up to bad coaching by Jim Boylen and what Markannen was surrounded with during the GarPax era.

Thanks for sharing your opinion, however, he was selected twice.. regardless of how; he put himself in that position with his hard work and play. I view it differently. I-L-L fellow loyalty fan. 🔶🔷💪🏾🔥🙏🏾
 
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Thanks for sharing your opinion, however, he was selected twice.. regardless of how; he put himself in that position with his hard work and play. I view it differently. I-L-L fellow loyalty fan. 🔶🔷💪🏾🔥🙏🏾

Right. He was selected for the Rising Stars game twice but the 2nd time was as an injury replacement. And he did play well at the start of the season but as the season wore on, teams were able to scheme around what he couldn't do.
 
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Exactly. Because he's not at a starting level on a good team and basically is only in there because Lonzo got hurt.
Understood. The more experience he gets on the floor, the better he will become. He's better than every other guard they can put on the floor currently to play the point. So to me, he should start in my opinion. His shot will only get better with time as we've seen the progress since he's left Illinois. He will get more comfortable as he continues to play and be in the league and will gain confidence with each season. Mark my words... Ayo will excel. I pray the Bulls don't lose him. Coby White took time and look at his gains. I see the same trajectory with Ayo but sooner, and he's bigger and shows that he wants to play defense.
 
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Understood. The more experience he gets on the floor, the better he will become. He's better than every other guard they can put on the floor currently to play the point. So to me, he should start in my opinion. His shot will only get better with time as we've seen the progress since he's left Illinois. He will get more comfortable as he continues to play and be in the league and will gain confidence with each season. Mark my words... Ayo will excel. I pray the Bulls don't lose him. Coby White took time and look at his gains. I see the same trajectory with Ayo but sooner, and he's bigger and shows that he wants to play defense.
Ayo is also a month older than Coby White.
 
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Ayo is also a month older than Coby White.
Adjusting to the league takes time regardless of age. Coby has two more seasons under his belt and that’s huge. On a semi-related note, it’s crazy how we talk about prospects and their age being a deterrent factor for the league when they’re 22 or 23 given that peak athleticism is in the late 20s. I feel that the focus on age when it comes to drafting players is becoming less significant each year.
 
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Adjusting to the league takes time regardless of age. Coby has two more seasons under his belt and that’s huge. On a semi-related note, it’s crazy how we talk about prospects and their age being a deterrent factor for the league when they’re 22 or 23 given that peak athleticism is in the late 20s. I feel that the focus on age when it comes to drafting players is becoming less significant each year.
One of the nice things about the NBA though is Bird Rights which is why age still matters a bit in the NBA, but for late first or second rounders on competing teams, it shouldn't be much of a factor.
 
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Understood. The more experience he gets on the floor, the better he will become. He's better than every other guard they can put on the floor currently to play the point. So to me, he should start in my opinion. His shot will only get better with time as we've seen the progress since he's left Illinois. He will get more comfortable as he continues to play and be in the league and will gain confidence with each season. Mark my words... Ayo will excel. I pray the Bulls don't lose him. Coby White took time and look at his gains. I see the same trajectory with Ayo but sooner, and he's bigger and shows that he wants to play defense.

Serious question. If Ayo had went to any school other than Illinois, would you still feel the same way? And as a follow up, would you feel the same way about Ayo if Coby White was the one that went to Illinois and Ayo had went elsewhere?
 
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Serious question. If Ayo had went to any school other than Illinois, would you still feel the same way? And as a follow up, would you feel the same way about Ayo if Coby White was the one that went to Illinois and Ayo had went elsewhere?
Yes I would feel the same way. Ayo was voted USA Today National Player of the Year! This was the year he was drafted. It wasn't just given to him because he played for Illinois. The way Illinois was viewed until the sustained success definitely didn't help his cause as if it was Kansas, Kentucky, Duke, or North Carolina if he played for them. I liked the Coby White pick for the Bulls and I am definitely a fan. I'm looking forward to seeing him develop more also. Ayo to me has shown tremendous promise for the future in a short period of time in the NBA. With the training and conditioning the Bulls can provide him, I don't see anything but continued growth and development in the NBA for Ayo.
 
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