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<blockquote data-quote="Fighter of the Nightman" data-source="post: 2055892" data-attributes="member: 590800"><p>Love this analysis, and thanks for updating it! I think these are two very biased and subjective points I would like to make:</p><p></p><p>- Anything before the 3-pointer is something we should be proud of but not really something that says a whole lot about our "modern" program's ceiling. Conversely, I do still think results during the mid- to late 1980s and 1990s can give a bump in prestige for a program like Illinois, Michigan, Indiana, etc. as recruits visit and we advertise that history.</p><p>- It's worth looking at when this program was objectively "healthy," IMO. I think it's MORE than fair to say we would have kept humming along at a similar level to where we are now if not for the Bruce Pearl incident ... that set us back for a few years in the 1990s, but we rebounded relatively quickly with a super impressive hiring of Lon Kruger from Florida, and we were winning a Big Ten Championship by 1998 and replacing Kruger with Bill Self by 2000. In this same sense, Mike Thomas' hiring of John Groce is just NOT indicative of the ceiling or prestige of this program (as you, of course, noted!).</p><p></p><p>So my subjective belief that I also believe is backed up by the data is that if this program is in competent hands - both at the AD and head coaching level - it is one of the most self-sustaining in the nation. Not many programs can say that 3 out of the last 4 head coaches have gotten a #1 seed, 3 out of the last 4 have made the Elite Eight or beyond and 5 out of the last 6 have won at least one Big Ten championship. Given the fan support, donor money, facilities, instate recruiting footprint, etc., it's just not that hard to win here!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Fighter of the Nightman, post: 2055892, member: 590800"] Love this analysis, and thanks for updating it! I think these are two very biased and subjective points I would like to make: - Anything before the 3-pointer is something we should be proud of but not really something that says a whole lot about our "modern" program's ceiling. Conversely, I do still think results during the mid- to late 1980s and 1990s can give a bump in prestige for a program like Illinois, Michigan, Indiana, etc. as recruits visit and we advertise that history. - It's worth looking at when this program was objectively "healthy," IMO. I think it's MORE than fair to say we would have kept humming along at a similar level to where we are now if not for the Bruce Pearl incident ... that set us back for a few years in the 1990s, but we rebounded relatively quickly with a super impressive hiring of Lon Kruger from Florida, and we were winning a Big Ten Championship by 1998 and replacing Kruger with Bill Self by 2000. In this same sense, Mike Thomas' hiring of John Groce is just NOT indicative of the ceiling or prestige of this program (as you, of course, noted!). So my subjective belief that I also believe is backed up by the data is that if this program is in competent hands - both at the AD and head coaching level - it is one of the most self-sustaining in the nation. Not many programs can say that 3 out of the last 4 head coaches have gotten a #1 seed, 3 out of the last 4 have made the Elite Eight or beyond and 5 out of the last 6 have won at least one Big Ten championship. Given the fan support, donor money, facilities, instate recruiting footprint, etc., it's just not that hard to win here! [/QUOTE]
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