Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread (Week of May 10th, 2021)

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I have no clue what to make of practice reports, but I think there have already been some comments about Belo drilling 3s in practice. I guess it just hasn't translated into games yet.
I read that more as “and people already say he hits them in practice,” as in he’s read some of the same comments as you. My question is what percentage does he need to shoot from 3 in games to raise his stock enough to go in first round?
 
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AJ Casey with an OV to tOSU on June 6th. Look for Illini to get one in June/July
Confidence meter is low on this one. Dad is very close with Juwan from their days growing up in Chitown. Maybe he's not a great fit there at that time, but those types of relationships are tough to overcome.
 
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This is coming up quick and could cause a real problem... CBS podcast with Gary Parrish did a good story on NIL and the effects this coming season. Sounds like this season and then the next recruiting cycle are gonna be a mess.
 
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This is coming up quick and could cause a real problem... CBS podcast with Gary Parrish did a good story on NIL and the effects this coming season. Sounds like this season and then the next recruiting cycle are gonna be a mess.
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Can you succinctly tell us what you are talking about so we don't need to guess? Are you talking about the impending NIL changes? Why would that cause a real problem?
Sorry, I'm tech challenged at times. It's the upcoming NIL issues and the laws that go on the books in 5 states in July.
 
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New Orleans
This is coming up quick and could cause a real problem... CBS podcast with Gary Parrish did a good story on NIL and the effects this coming season. Sounds like this season and then the next recruiting cycle are gonna be a mess.
Calipari to high performing freshman at another school this time next year: "Hey, it's coach Cal from Kentucky. I heard you were thinking of transferring and wanted to let you know we have a guy, runs a big car dealership here, who really loves your game and thinks your image would be great for his dealership. He sees you in a Kentucky uniform, life size cutout of you in the showroom, and a few cameos in TV ads. Probably worth 10-15K a month for that that, plus a really nice car to use while your at Kentucky. Does you family also need a new car?"
 
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The desert
Calipari to high performing freshman at another school this time next year: "Hey, it's coach Cal from Kentucky. I heard you were thinking of transferring and wanted to let you know we have a guy, runs a big car dealership here, who really loves your game and thinks your image would be great for his dealership. He sees you in a Kentucky uniform, life size cutout of you in the showroom, and a few cameos in TV ads. Probably worth 10-15K a month for that that, plus a really nice car to use while your at Kentucky. Does you family also need a new car?"

It sure is a good thing that there are car dealerships in most (all?) major college towns. Also, rules about directly recruiting players from other schools will still apply.

The bigger issue that you've missed here is that schools with a national following and/or located near a major metropolitan area will likely have the potential for much more NIL dollars to fly around than programs with neither. If anything, I think this helps us.

By the way, I think letting athletes profit off of NIL is a good thing and the above issues are solvable.
 
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It sure is a good thing that there are car dealerships in most (all?) major college towns. Also, rules about directly recruiting players from other schools will still apply.

The bigger issue that you've missed here is that schools with a national following and/or located near a major metropolitan area will likely have the potential for much more NIL dollars to fly around than programs with neither. If anything, I think this helps us.

By the way, I think letting athletes profit off of NIL is a good thing and the above issues are solvable.
I think this will reduce the players leaving school early, as the lure of a paycheck will not be as strong if they are already getting one. This may help the upper tier schools that have players that are marginal NBA talent keep them an extra year (hopefully Kofi for example).
 
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New Orleans
It sure is a good thing that there are car dealerships in most (all?) major college towns. Also, rules about directly recruiting players from other schools will still apply.

The bigger issue that you've missed here is that schools with a national following and/or located near a major metropolitan area will likely have the potential for much more NIL dollars to fly around than programs with neither. If anything, I think this helps us.

By the way, I think letting athletes profit off of NIL is a good thing and the above issues are solvable.
The problem, I believe, is not getting paid for NIL, which I also agree with, it is directing large sums of money to top recruits and transfers disguised as NIL payments. If we look at simply NIL above board earnings for players, I would fully agree UI will be very well positioned. How much could/would Oregon get in NIL dollars from NIKE? Some might have to take a pay cut to go to the NBA.
 
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Calipari to high performing freshman at another school this time next year: "Hey, it's coach Cal from Kentucky. I heard you were thinking of transferring and wanted to let you know we have a guy, runs a big car dealership here, who really loves your game and thinks your image would be great for his dealership. He sees you in a Kentucky uniform, life size cutout of you in the showroom, and a few cameos in TV ads. Probably worth 10-15K a month for that that, plus a really nice car to use while your at Kentucky. Does you family also need a new car?"
They've been doing that for years! Remember when Townes had a car wreck at edge of campus when he was there. Cadillac Escalade with dealers plates
 
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Confidence meter is low on this one. Dad is very close with Juwan from their days growing up in Chitown. Maybe he's not a great fit there at that time, but those types of relationships are tough to overcome.
Yeah, for sure. But it's all about the fit. If Casey is initially blocked by a stud at Michigan, he'll probably weigh his options. And it looks like we're a viable option now. Which is massively better than the deal a short time ago.
 
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The desert
The problem, I believe, is not getting paid for NIL, which I also agree with, it is directing large sums of money to top recruits and transfers disguised as NIL payments. If we look at simply NIL above board earnings for players, I would fully agree UI will be very well positioned. How much could/would Oregon get in NIL dollars from NIKE? Some might have to take a pay cut to go to the NBA.

The problem with the Nike theories is that Nike is a publicly-traded company. It wouldn't make a lot of business sense for them to just back up a dump truck of money purely for recruiting to Oregon. The investors wouldn't be thrilled. Maybe you get away with that here and there, but Nike could not subsidize Oregon's basketball team. It would make a lot more sense from their bottom-line perspective to just do what they've already been doing in terms of steering top recruits to Nike schools, only now there would be a way to do it above board. Ultimately that is why Nike does this now: it helps their business.

Privately-held companies would be a more interesting question. What if Koch Industries wanted to singlehandedly prop up Wichita State Basketball, for example? Still, even privately-held companies are typically more concerned about profit instead of how well their executives' alma maters perform in sports.

I think the bigger possibility is when you have wealthy individuals acting as private citizens. Let's say instead of Nike directly supporting Oregon, Phil Knight himself personally buys a (highly inflated) signed jersey from everyone on Oregon's roster.

Obviously there will have to be some kind of regulatory framework here (and I think we all know the NCAA will not get it right). But I think just the act of bringing all of these things out into the open and above board makes it by default more equitable.
 
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It sure is a good thing that there are car dealerships in most (all?) major college towns. Also, rules about directly recruiting players from other schools will still apply.

The bigger issue that you've missed here is that schools with a national following and/or located near a major metropolitan area will likely have the potential for much more NIL dollars to fly around than programs with neither. If anything, I think this helps us.

By the way, I think letting athletes profit off of NIL is a good thing and the above issues are solvable.
My guesses as to what happens:
* Recruiting just became an open finance game vs closed.
* More players will receive payments than today.
* Many of those payments will be well beyond a living stipend.
* Recruits will wait longer to sign to see if they can get a better cash offer. Anyone rising up the rankings should absolutely wait.
* The better teams with deeper pockets will buy transfers after someone else uses the scholarship and effort to train them.
The new transfer rule was already going to start this trend. I think this will accelerate it.
* Teams will have more internal friction. You are getting paid $10k/month?! I'm only getting $5k. If the player perceives themselves as roughly a peer to the other student, they are likely going to be pissed at the staff and/or their peer. These are kids just out of high school; emotion will often trump logic. Couple this with the free transfer, and I fully expect to see - Pay me the 10k/month like you pay them, or I'm transferring.

This is the end of college basketball as we know it, and I feel sick. I had really been hoping that the NCAA would find a formulaic out that satisfied the new laws. E.g Players ranked 1-N can be paid up to $X/yr, N-M, $Y/yr, ..., anyone $Z/yr.
 
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The desert
My guesses as to what happens:
* Recruiting just became an open finance game vs closed.
* More players will receive payments than today.
* Many of those payments will be well beyond a living stipend.
* Recruits will wait longer to sign to see if they can get a better cash offer. Anyone rising up the rankings should absolutely wait.
* The better teams with deeper pockets will buy transfers after someone else uses the scholarship and effort to train them.
The new transfer rule was already going to start this trend. I think this will accelerate it.
* Teams will have more internal friction. You are getting paid $10k/month?! I'm only getting $5k. If the player perceives themselves as roughly a peer to the other student, they are likely going to be pissed at the staff and/or their peer. These are kids just out of high school; emotion will often trump logic. Couple this with the free transfer, and I fully expect to see - Pay me the 10k/month like you pay them, or I'm transferring.

This is the end of college basketball as we know it, and I feel sick. I had really been hoping that the NCAA would find a formulaic out that satisfied the new laws. E.g Players ranked 1-N can be paid up to $X/yr, N-M, $Y/yr, ..., anyone $Z/yr.

Is this not how every single professional sports team works? I don't see any reason to believe there will be any more friction than there already is. Some players start over other players. Some players get drafted over other players. That's life. Transfer rules will still apply, so maybe they get one freebie but otherwise start having to sit a year. That won't be great for their bottom line when they have zero visibility and a company doesn't want to pay them to ride the pine.

I don't think it's the end of college basketball. Ultimately, if you want to really get cynical about this, players are already getting paid. It's just more hidden, so it allows fans to live in a fantasy world where these super talented kids are playing a game in exchange for an education. But that's not true in the upper echelons of the sport and hasn't been for some time. All this does is make it less illicit, and when things are less illicit, they tend to be more equitable.
 
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Is this not how every single professional sports team works? I don't see any reason to believe there will be any more friction than there already is. Some players start over other players. Some players get drafted over other players. That's life. Transfer rules will still apply, so maybe they get one freebie but otherwise start having to sit a year. That won't be great for their bottom line when they have zero visibility and a company doesn't want to pay them to ride the pine.

I don't think it's the end of college basketball. Ultimately, if you want to really get cynical about this, players are already getting paid. It's just more hidden, so it allows fans to live in a fantasy world where these super talented kids are playing a game in exchange for an education. But that's not true in the upper echelons of the sport and hasn't been for some time. All this does is make it less illicit, and when things are less illicit, they tend to be more equitable.
“Fans “... “fantasy world” ... gee, who’d a thunk it? /s
 
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My guesses as to what happens:
* Recruiting just became an open finance game vs closed.
* More players will receive payments than today.
* Many of those payments will be well beyond a living stipend.
* Recruits will wait longer to sign to see if they can get a better cash offer. Anyone rising up the rankings should absolutely wait.
* The better teams with deeper pockets will buy transfers after someone else uses the scholarship and effort to train them.
The new transfer rule was already going to start this trend. I think this will accelerate it.
* Teams will have more internal friction. You are getting paid $10k/month?! I'm only getting $5k. If the player perceives themselves as roughly a peer to the other student, they are likely going to be pissed at the staff and/or their peer. These are kids just out of high school; emotion will often trump logic. Couple this with the free transfer, and I fully expect to see - Pay me the 10k/month like you pay them, or I'm transferring.

This is the end of college basketball as we know it, and I feel sick. I had really been hoping that the NCAA would find a formulaic out that satisfied the new laws. E.g Players ranked 1-N can be paid up to $X/yr, N-M, $Y/yr, ..., anyone $Z/yr.
* Some ambulance chasing shyster convinces a female field hockey player that she is being discriminated against and brings a lawsuit against the athletic department, the university and the NCAA.
 
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I like this kid game! What do you all think about this?
 
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