Pregame: Illinois vs Iowa State, Thursday, March 28th, 9:09pm CT, TBS

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I wanted to look at what teams have done to be successful against Iowa State's defense this season. I went through their schedule and compiled key team stats for any game in which either (a) their opponent scored 70+ points or (b) their opponent won. There was actually only one game (K-State) in which their opponent scored less than 70 but still won the game. As we see below, teams that score 70+ have a 5-5 record against Iowa State. With them being pretty average offensively for a P5 team (Kenpom #49 offense) this is the number you want to reach to have a shot at beating them. That number may be a little higher for us since (a) we will push pace and (b) we are not a great defensive team ourselves.

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As you can see, you don't necessarily need to hit the three to be successful (nor do you have to shoot extremely well overall). Only 1 game here that their opponent shot over 50% and only 2 of the 11 games the opponent hit over 45% of their 3s and 3 of the 11 games the opponent hit over 40% of their threes.

Largely, you have to make your free throws. We have more guys we can send to the FT line with confidence late in the game than they do, and that is a big, big thing in tight games. We have an advantage there (75% to 69% team FT shooting) and that doesn't seem like much of a discrepancy, but we have guys who drag our percentage down (Dain, Ty) who will be replaced by better FT shooters if we're ahead or in the bonus(+) late in the game - Harmon 91% or Goode.

Outside of TCU, teams that score 70 or win are not really killing them on the glass either. In fact, in 5 of these 11 games Iowa State actually outrebounded their opponent.

Then, turnovers. Looks pretty hit or miss. There's no storyline here, either. Obviously, decision-making and quick passes out of their traps is going to be key. I read somewhere that despite them being the #1 defense, they give up one of the highest assist rates in the nation, and this is due to all of the trapping. Their defensive scheme is polar opposite of our own in that they really want to turn you over whereas we don't focus on turning teams over, but rather limiting the three point shot and trying to force mid-range 2 pointers. With Iowa State not having a great half court offense, this nuance of their trapping defense forcing turnovers actually helps them put points on the board in addition to limiting their opponent's useful possessions.

I don't think they have ran into a team anything like us. I've seen Baylor used as a comparison, but we don't play like Baylor with them being more successful from 3 point range, while we're more successful on 2 point shots and getting to the FT line. I think the two huge, giant, swaying factors in this game will be the turnover margin and how well Iowa State shoots the ball.
 
#603      

This breakdown boosts my confidence. Seems like the game's gonna come down to our ability to make the extra pass/skip pass, shoot threes at a good %, and O-rebound. C'monnn!

Thanks for sharing, great scout. Anything can happen in one game. We could go ice cold from 3. Marcus could get sped up and turn the ball over a ton, Coleman could get frustrated and turn it over a ton, etc. But if the game plays out according to the metrics I think it favors us.

And even beyond metrics I think personnel favors us. Domask has enough size to see over their post traps and create angles for skip passes. We have two skilled front court players who can short roll and read that 4 on 3 to get the ball to the open man. And we have a plethora of guys who can hit corner 3s. And that’s not taking into account the opportunities that will be there on the offensive glass.

And I’m sure he’s going to score some points, but Momcilovic presents some opportunities for us to exploit on the offensive end. Marcus has struggled staying in front of smaller, quicker guards on the perimeter, but he should be able to stay in front of Momocilovic and have the size to bother his shot. And if Quincy is struggling he’s the perfect guy for Goode to guard, and Goode should feast on all of those open corner 3’s.

Like I say, anything can happen in one game and their defense is great. We could get sped up and completely discombobulated. But if we don’t get sped up and play our typical game I think this is about as good a matchup as you could hope against a 2 seed in the S16
 
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derrick6

Illini Dawg
Seattle
Yeah, I have lived in Chicago for four years and the assertion that there are more Notre Dame football fans than Illini football fans is - in my experience - a total myth. However, there are a ton of Notre Dame football fans. BASKETBALL, on the other hand, is a bewildering take to have ... I would wager that less than 25% of Chicago Area Notre Dame football fans cheer for their basketball team, and that might be generous. The Chicago Sun-Times did a poll last year of its readers' favorite college football team, and Illinois was ahead of Notre Dame (I cannot access the numbers). However, I remember seeing a poll about three years ago by the Tribune that had it at like 32% Illinois, 20% Notre Dame, 10% Northwestern and the rest was other (disproportionately other Big Ten schools, almost certainly).

It's really annoying when people perpetuate the myth that Illinois is not the most popular team here in BOTH sports (and EASILY for basketball), because it's just simply not true, haha.
As the joke goes, how can you tell someone went to Notre Dame?

They tell you.

They seem to have more fans because you see/hear them express it, imo.
 
#606      

OrangeBlue98

Des Moines, IA
What you and everyone on this board should really fear is any B1G official getting assigned to this game. And don't worry ISU fans, B1G officials treat everyone equally, that's why they're hated by the entire conference.
The only way this can happen is if an official works Big 10 and Big 12 games.

Do Carstensen and Greene also work the Big 12?
 
#607      

NEIlliniFan

No longer in New England
Must disagree a slightly with some of the comments. Any player can be stopped. It’s how you handle it which determines the outcome. If either Shannon or Domask get going expect lots of traps and quick doubles. Must make the right decision when/if that happens. The rest of the team move to open positions when their man doubles. Must make the right read even if you don’t score.

The officials will play a big part in this game, most good defensive teams are really just good at grabbing the opponent discretely. If this is allowed we could be in trouble. That Texas A&M / Houston game was brutal. Must hit free throws if they play a foul game.
Agree. But the point being made is there's no Single Player that can stop TSJ, one-on-one.

Both points, 'any player can be stopped' and 'no single player can stop TSJ' are true.

The only player I've seen stop Shannon is Shannon.
 
#609      

This breakdown boosts my confidence. Seems like the game's gonna come down to our ability to make the extra pass/skip pass, shoot threes at a good %, and O-rebound. C'monnn!
This was a great watch.

Feels like much of the game will be dictated by MD's booty ball and how he responds to pressure/ doubles. If (when) he is doubled, can he find shooters/ cutters like he did against Duquense. Will those shooters knock down open looks (Iowa State seems comfortable allowing 3 pt looks).

My .2 cents...this feels like the type of game where a role player can really change the game. Ie. if Harman or Goode can knock a few down it will really open up the offense.

I can't remember the last time I was this excited (anxious?) for an Illinois basketball game.
 
#610      

What this video shows me is guys are going to have to move. Everyone but the ballhandler is stationary in this video which allows Iowa State to just rotate and remain in their spots. If a guy or two cuts, then you have defensive players either following him or switching, which can move them out of position and open more space in different areas of the floor.
 
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ChiefGritty

Chicago, IL
I'd be a little cagier about it if I were ISU.

Domask has been carving up obvious insta-doubles of booty ball. He knows he has to avoid getting trapped along the sidelines.

But you let him get down a little lower and start showing bodies, you can get him taking lower-percentage fadeaways and playing high-risk interior passes. I'd rather play that Illinois than swinging it around the perimeter and TSJ barreling in from 30 feet Illinois.
 
#613      
I have flashbacks of the first Northwestern game - they did the same thing, and our cutters were ready and carved it up. Of course, ISU will be much better and faster at it than Northwestern was.
They will not let Marcus carve them up. ISU will force him to pass it and take their chances with a perimeter shot. We can't fall in love with the 3 and take 40 of them this game.
 
#614      
There is no question in my mind, that this team, or any team of their ilk that have 5 guys that can score against anyone or in the case of our Illini, three dependable scorers of which any one of them can and have scored 30, has a better chance of winning in the Dance due to being able to avert thos 5-6 min. scoring droughts we came to know and accept in recent years. It sure has kept the pressure on opponents to do the same with several different lineups and none has been able to recently. Bringing scorers like DD, Luke, and Harmon off the bench and you have 8 deep that are a threat to aggressively get points in bunches at any time....and quickly.

I know we have had a drought or two this season, but in previous seasons that has been per game. For most teams it is really hard to keep up. UConn might be able to though.....along with a handful of others if they are on. Having a mindset to defend your way to the title is fool's gold...you have to do it on both ends for 40 min. to win the next four.
We had those droughts in quite a few games and I'm not sure that the instances have dropped off too much.

We just remember the games that we lost. a Marquette at home, @MSU, Purdue at home, @ Penn State...all scoring droughts and meltdowns.

I mean....we were down double digits in pretty much every Big Ten tournament game, we almost coughed up a 20 point lead @ Iowa, etc, but we went wild in the second half to win those games.

The Duquesne game is that last game where we were wire to wire dominant.

We're not going to hang 85 on Iowa State. Well, at least it's unlikely. They lock people down. That's what they do. That said....can't have a "no field goals in 6 minutes" type of situation for which we are prone because the ball sticks. TJ has been out of his mind the last two weeks. Can't rely on that.
 
#615      

IlliniMike_Aurora

Straight outta Champaign
I wanted to look at what teams have done to be successful against Iowa State's defense this season. I went through their schedule and compiled key team stats for any game in which either (a) their opponent scored 70+ points or (b) their opponent won. There was actually only one game (K-State) in which their opponent scored less than 70 but still won the game. As we see below, teams that score 70+ have a 5-5 record against Iowa State. With them being pretty average offensively for a P5 team (Kenpom #49 offense) this is the number you want to reach to have a shot at beating them. That number may be a little higher for us since (a) we will push pace and (b) we are not a great defensive team ourselves.

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As you can see, you don't necessarily need to hit the three to be successful (nor do you have to shoot extremely well overall). Only 1 game here that their opponent shot over 50% and only 2 of the 11 games the opponent hit over 45% of their 3s and 3 of the 11 games the opponent hit over 40% of their threes.

Largely, you have to make your free throws. We have more guys we can send to the FT line with confidence late in the game than they do, and that is a big, big thing in tight games. We have an advantage there (75% to 69% team FT shooting) and that doesn't seem like much of a discrepancy, but we have guys who drag our percentage down (Dain, Ty) who will be replaced by better FT shooters if we're ahead or in the bonus(+) late in the game - Harmon 91% or Goode.

Outside of TCU, teams that score 70 or win are not really killing them on the glass either. In fact, in 5 of these 11 games Iowa State actually outrebounded their opponent.

Then, turnovers. Looks pretty hit or miss. There's no storyline here, either. Obviously, decision-making and quick passes out of their traps is going to be key. I read somewhere that despite them being the #1 defense, they give up one of the highest assist rates in the nation, and this is due to all of the trapping. Their defensive scheme is polar opposite of our own in that they really want to turn you over whereas we don't focus on turning teams over, but rather limiting the three point shot and trying to force mid-range 2 pointers. With Iowa State not having a great half court offense, this nuance of their trapping defense forcing turnovers actually helps them put points on the board in addition to limiting their opponent's useful possessions.

I don't think they have ran into a team anything like us. I've seen Baylor used as a comparison, but we don't play like Baylor with them being more successful from 3 point range, while we're more successful on 2 point shots and getting to the FT line. I think the two huge, giant, swaying factors in this game will be the turnover margin and how well Iowa State shoots the ball.
looks like we need to hit the glass and the charity stripe (and of course make them)! Go Illini
 
#616      

illini55

The Villages, FL
For us ET folks, this is probably closer to a 10:30pm tip. This one’s got OT potential. It could be an especially late one, but you’re right. I, for one, will be wetting my whistle during this game. I’ll be looking rough on Friday with a headache. I’ll be a suggestion of an employee, at best. But hopefully with a !!!! eating ear-to-ear grin and that’s all matters, 2am be damned :)
I'll be so pumped up on adrenaline that I may just skip sleep that night. Quadruple OT resulting in an Illini win? Bring it on!
 
#618      
We had those droughts in quite a few games and I'm not sure that the instances have dropped off too much.

We just remember the games that we lost. a Marquette at home, @MSU, Purdue at home, @ Penn State...all scoring droughts and meltdowns.

I mean....we were down double digits in pretty much every Big Ten tournament game, we almost coughed up a 20 point lead @ Iowa, etc, but we went wild in the second half to win those games.

The Duquesne game is that last game where we were wire to wire dominant.

We're not going to hang 85 on Iowa State. Well, at least it's unlikely. They lock people down. That's what they do. That said....can't have a "no field goals in 6 minutes" type of situation for which we are prone because the ball sticks. TJ has been out of his mind the last two weeks. Can't rely on that.
Most of us, myself included, have been blocking this out (IMHO).

The question is, are we peaking now, or will we revert back to those droughts/games if we get punched in the face?

I can't wait to find out!
 
#620      

NASchamp

Atlanta
It is if you subscribe to YouTube TV and buy the flight WiFi.
Only certain planes support the upgraded WiFi for streaming. On planes with Live Sat. TV (larger, newer planes for longer-haul flights) I believe TBS is supported outright.
 
#621      

sacraig

The desert
Only certain planes support the upgraded WiFi for streaming. On planes with Live Sat. TV (larger, newer planes for longer-haul flights) I believe TBS is supported outright.
I don't know the specifics of Delta. I do know I've watched YouTube TV on a flight before, though.
 
#622      
I don't know the specifics of Delta. I do know I've watched YouTube TV on a flight before, though.
The ability to stream video varies. My United flight Saturday had it blocked. Fortunately got in well before game time. United supports streaming on “select flights” per their little ad trying to get you to sign up. Not yet obvious to me how to figure out in advance of one’s flight has it. YouTube TV does offer very good DVR functionality in case one needs it…
 
#623      

NASchamp

Atlanta
They will not let Marcus carve them up. ISU will force him to pass it and take their chances with a perimeter shot. We can't fall in love with the 3 and take 40 of them this game.
I hope we avoid trying to make TOO many passes as well - which we have done sometimes against teams that give us the 3. We end up turning down too many decent shots over the course of the game looking for an even better one. Coleman is the key here. I want to see him knock down the first couple. When that happens, the other team is in big trouble.

We seem to be a bit of a streaky 3-pt shooting team at times. If we brick a bunch in the beginning it can spell trouble. But a guy or two making their shots gives the whole team a shot of confidence.

Lastly, I’ll also be looking for the first few shots by Domask to go in. Those either give him confidence or suck it all away. Hopefully he can get some easy looks to start the game off and settle nerves.
 
#624      
I wanted to look at what teams have done to be successful against Iowa State's defense this season. I went through their schedule and compiled key team stats for any game in which either (a) their opponent scored 70+ points or (b) their opponent won. There was actually only one game (K-State) in which their opponent scored less than 70 but still won the game. As we see below, teams that score 70+ have a 5-5 record against Iowa State. With them being pretty average offensively for a P5 team (Kenpom #49 offense) this is the number you want to reach to have a shot at beating them. That number may be a little higher for us since (a) we will push pace and (b) we are not a great defensive team ourselves.

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As you can see, you don't necessarily need to hit the three to be successful (nor do you have to shoot extremely well overall). Only 1 game here that their opponent shot over 50% and only 2 of the 11 games the opponent hit over 45% of their 3s and 3 of the 11 games the opponent hit over 40% of their threes.

Largely, you have to make your free throws. We have more guys we can send to the FT line with confidence late in the game than they do, and that is a big, big thing in tight games. We have an advantage there (75% to 69% team FT shooting) and that doesn't seem like much of a discrepancy, but we have guys who drag our percentage down (Dain, Ty) who will be replaced by better FT shooters if we're ahead or in the bonus(+) late in the game - Harmon 91% or Goode.

Outside of TCU, teams that score 70 or win are not really killing them on the glass either. In fact, in 5 of these 11 games Iowa State actually outrebounded their opponent.

Then, turnovers. Looks pretty hit or miss. There's no storyline here, either. Obviously, decision-making and quick passes out of their traps is going to be key. I read somewhere that despite them being the #1 defense, they give up one of the highest assist rates in the nation, and this is due to all of the trapping. Their defensive scheme is polar opposite of our own in that they really want to turn you over whereas we don't focus on turning teams over, but rather limiting the three point shot and trying to force mid-range 2 pointers. With Iowa State not having a great half court offense, this nuance of their trapping defense forcing turnovers actually helps them put points on the board in addition to limiting their opponent's useful possessions.

I don't think they have ran into a team anything like us. I've seen Baylor used as a comparison, but we don't play like Baylor with them being more successful from 3 point range, while we're more successful on 2 point shots and getting to the FT line. I think the two huge, giant, swaying factors in this game will be the turnover margin and how well Iowa State shoots the ball.
I haven't looked at any of their games, but it sounds a bit like their defense is Brad's first two years at UI. Swarm to produce turnovers, Must work better from them then us.
 
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