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<blockquote data-quote="Obelix" data-source="post: 1409709" data-attributes="member: 7292"><p>First, your statement that landing top kids from Chicago (or anywhere else) hardly ever happened even when Illinois has been great is wrong. It happened in the 80s pretty regularly and Dee was also a Chicago kid. And independent of losing CV when Self left (expected), the fact that Self could land someone like CV shows that it did happen from elsewhere as well.</p><p></p><p>The rest of your premise is that consistent success is unattainable and that recruiting is all about luck. I totally disagree with. The fact that Illinois had two golden eras which were comprised of multiple consecutive years (see<a href="https://www.illinoisloyalty.com/Forum/threads/illinois-hoops-recruiting-thread.24555/page-8#post-1409616" target="_blank"> </a><a href="https://www.illinoisloyalty.com/Forum/threads/looking-back-on-recent-illini-basketball-history.24564/page-3#post-1409616" target="_blank">post #52</a>) in different time periods (80s vs 2000s) proves exactly that. Even their ending did not happen because of natural fading but it was due to specific disruptive evens (i.e., probation, Weber).</p><p></p><p>Having very strong <strong>consistent</strong> recruiting (as the golden eras represent) has nothing to do with luck. The circumstances and dynamics of environment change but strong recruiters adapt to the changing environment. There are always very strong recruiters in different eras, always. The dynamics were still very different in the 80s and 2000s and Illinois still did it in both eras. It is not easy, and as I have said multiple times in the past, in order for a coach to be very successful at Illinois he has to be a very strong recruiter. I am a firm believer that consistent success can't happen without very strong recruiting. Others believe it can happen with lesser talent playing for a system (most often implying that we do not have a very good recruiter as HC) or that we should bring the bar down as consistent success is something unattainable (your post). But in both cases our own history so far proves otherwise.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Obelix, post: 1409709, member: 7292"] First, your statement that landing top kids from Chicago (or anywhere else) hardly ever happened even when Illinois has been great is wrong. It happened in the 80s pretty regularly and Dee was also a Chicago kid. And independent of losing CV when Self left (expected), the fact that Self could land someone like CV shows that it did happen from elsewhere as well. The rest of your premise is that consistent success is unattainable and that recruiting is all about luck. I totally disagree with. The fact that Illinois had two golden eras which were comprised of multiple consecutive years (see[URL='https://www.illinoisloyalty.com/Forum/threads/illinois-hoops-recruiting-thread.24555/page-8#post-1409616'] [/URL][URL='https://www.illinoisloyalty.com/Forum/threads/looking-back-on-recent-illini-basketball-history.24564/page-3#post-1409616']post #52[/URL]) in different time periods (80s vs 2000s) proves exactly that. Even their ending did not happen because of natural fading but it was due to specific disruptive evens (i.e., probation, Weber). Having very strong [B]consistent[/B] recruiting (as the golden eras represent) has nothing to do with luck. The circumstances and dynamics of environment change but strong recruiters adapt to the changing environment. There are always very strong recruiters in different eras, always. The dynamics were still very different in the 80s and 2000s and Illinois still did it in both eras. It is not easy, and as I have said multiple times in the past, in order for a coach to be very successful at Illinois he has to be a very strong recruiter. I am a firm believer that consistent success can't happen without very strong recruiting. Others believe it can happen with lesser talent playing for a system (most often implying that we do not have a very good recruiter as HC) or that we should bring the bar down as consistent success is something unattainable (your post). But in both cases our own history so far proves otherwise. [/QUOTE]
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