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<blockquote data-quote="Second and Chalmers" data-source="post: 1409802" data-attributes="member: 527609"><p>Let's re-up the list here (I realize I forgot somebody <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite10" alt=":oops:" title="Oops! :oops:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":oops:" />).</p><p></p><p>Trent Frazier (So.), Mark Smith (So.), Te'Jon Lucas (Jr.), Jalen Coleman-Lands (Sr.), Aaron Jordan (Sr.), Da'Monte Williams (So.), Javon Pickett (So.), Kipper Nichols (Jr.), Leron Black (R-Sr.), Jeremiah Tilmon (So.), Michael Finke (R-Sr.)</p><p></p><p>It's a hypothetical, sure, but that's our roster for next year under John Groce if all goes well and stable. Not random at all.</p><p></p><p>How much are true freshmen who aren't Top 10 players in the country going to play on that team? I really don't think Groce lands Ayo, but how much run does Ayo even get on that team? Does Tevian Jones even get on the floor? Does Samba Kane or Ebo?</p><p></p><p>You've responded to my question. You don't think that team is going much of anywhere without an extra push from highly-ranked new freshmen. A team that probably starts three top 50 recruits needing that extra speaks volumes to me about the coach, but whatever. (For the record, I think that team is just another carbon copy of '14-15, so I agree with you)</p><p></p><p>The reason that question is relevant is because that roster does NOT have a "gap" at any position. It has multiple high-major caliber non-freshmen at all five spots. So I think that tells us something about the idea that the Groce era was undone by "gaps", which was not exactly your argument, but was raised by someone else.</p><p></p><p>Anyway, you brought up our golden eras earlier. One aspect of those golden eras was highly recruited, very talented, later to become core players barely playing as freshmen. Roger Powell and Robert Archibald spring to mind. Luther Head didn't play all that much as a freshman. If Rich McBride and Shaun Pruitt weren't "overrated", would it have mattered? Surely not.</p><p></p><p>Good programs might get an unexpected big contribution from a non-elite freshman, think Trey Burke. But they aren't routinely relying on those guys. They're growing them for the future in practice and in bit part bench roles.</p><p></p><p>I'm pretty sure we largely agree on this, right? Not sure why you've reacted so strongly.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Second and Chalmers, post: 1409802, member: 527609"] Let's re-up the list here (I realize I forgot somebody :oops:). Trent Frazier (So.), Mark Smith (So.), Te'Jon Lucas (Jr.), Jalen Coleman-Lands (Sr.), Aaron Jordan (Sr.), Da'Monte Williams (So.), Javon Pickett (So.), Kipper Nichols (Jr.), Leron Black (R-Sr.), Jeremiah Tilmon (So.), Michael Finke (R-Sr.) It's a hypothetical, sure, but that's our roster for next year under John Groce if all goes well and stable. Not random at all. How much are true freshmen who aren't Top 10 players in the country going to play on that team? I really don't think Groce lands Ayo, but how much run does Ayo even get on that team? Does Tevian Jones even get on the floor? Does Samba Kane or Ebo? You've responded to my question. You don't think that team is going much of anywhere without an extra push from highly-ranked new freshmen. A team that probably starts three top 50 recruits needing that extra speaks volumes to me about the coach, but whatever. (For the record, I think that team is just another carbon copy of '14-15, so I agree with you) The reason that question is relevant is because that roster does NOT have a "gap" at any position. It has multiple high-major caliber non-freshmen at all five spots. So I think that tells us something about the idea that the Groce era was undone by "gaps", which was not exactly your argument, but was raised by someone else. Anyway, you brought up our golden eras earlier. One aspect of those golden eras was highly recruited, very talented, later to become core players barely playing as freshmen. Roger Powell and Robert Archibald spring to mind. Luther Head didn't play all that much as a freshman. If Rich McBride and Shaun Pruitt weren't "overrated", would it have mattered? Surely not. Good programs might get an unexpected big contribution from a non-elite freshman, think Trey Burke. But they aren't routinely relying on those guys. They're growing them for the future in practice and in bit part bench roles. I'm pretty sure we largely agree on this, right? Not sure why you've reacted so strongly. [/QUOTE]
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