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<blockquote data-quote="Spanky" data-source="post: 1409835" data-attributes="member: 746040"><p>No, you just need 3 guys ranked 50+ to all develop into NBA draft picks in your starting 5 (Deron, Augie, Head), and land a McDonald's All American in Dee on top of that to have a very good team. </p><p></p><p>Again, when is that ever going to happen, or should be expected to happen? Landing an in-state McDAA, I think you can hope to do that. I don't know about expecting it, but I think that is attainable - but the key to that team wasn't Dee. It was the other guys. You make it sound like that's easy or should be expected. All these coaches - Self, Weber, Groce, Underwood - they obviously all want their lower ranked guys to develop into NBA players. But most don't. And what made Illinois far greater than anyone could have expected was Deron/Augie/Head all playing way above their heads on the same team. That isn't a repeatable circumstance. That was luck. It's just like the guy that showed the kids recruited from 09-11 were similar ranked to 01-03. But one team had a ton of success, and the other didn't with the same coaching staff. So it wasn't just plugging in recruiting numbers and saying "ok we're great again". It didn't happen. And it should not have been expected to happen because even back in 01-03 there's nobody that would have projected that team to be a top 2 team in the country when those guys were recruited. It was luck, fortunate circumstances, whatever you want to call it. </p><p></p><p>IMO, if you want to have a great team, then you either need an amazing high level coach (that can always get more out of the whole, than the individual parts) or you have to recruit at the very top of the totem pole. If you don't have either of those things, then you can luck your way into some success (by having lot of rare local talent to recruit, or having guys play way above their heads). And IMO, that is how 2000-2006 happened. But to me, that's not a sustainable method to replicate 2000-2006. </p><p></p><p>And when people bring up the 1980s, I'd love if Illinois could own Chicago again. I'd love if it was expected that guys on the level of Deon Thomas, Marcus Liberty, Kendall Gill, Nick Anderson were expected to attend Illinois. But that dynamic, isn't there anymore and IMO it's never coming back because of the current demographics of the school. The alumni being created is not a state pride alumni base. It's a world-wide alumni base, with lot of graduates and state residents leaving Illinois. Then you just have the ease of national recruiting (with technology) compared to the 1980s, where a great kid in Chicago can be just as easily recruited by Kansas, Kentucky, Duke, Arizona, UCLA as they can by Illinois. </p><p></p><p>I almost think 2000-2006 set an unreasonable expectation level that if you asked Underwood about that - he'd tell you "well, give me 3 local McDonald's All Americans, and I'll have a good team....or just let 3 of my recruits that nobody expects to become NBA players, let them become NBA draft picks and I'll have a good team"....I bet even he has to look at that era and think "man, those guys were really lucky". But somehow, that lucky streak created an expectation level among Illini fans that are now gonna be pissed off at me if I can't meet that.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Spanky, post: 1409835, member: 746040"] No, you just need 3 guys ranked 50+ to all develop into NBA draft picks in your starting 5 (Deron, Augie, Head), and land a McDonald's All American in Dee on top of that to have a very good team. Again, when is that ever going to happen, or should be expected to happen? Landing an in-state McDAA, I think you can hope to do that. I don't know about expecting it, but I think that is attainable - but the key to that team wasn't Dee. It was the other guys. You make it sound like that's easy or should be expected. All these coaches - Self, Weber, Groce, Underwood - they obviously all want their lower ranked guys to develop into NBA players. But most don't. And what made Illinois far greater than anyone could have expected was Deron/Augie/Head all playing way above their heads on the same team. That isn't a repeatable circumstance. That was luck. It's just like the guy that showed the kids recruited from 09-11 were similar ranked to 01-03. But one team had a ton of success, and the other didn't with the same coaching staff. So it wasn't just plugging in recruiting numbers and saying "ok we're great again". It didn't happen. And it should not have been expected to happen because even back in 01-03 there's nobody that would have projected that team to be a top 2 team in the country when those guys were recruited. It was luck, fortunate circumstances, whatever you want to call it. IMO, if you want to have a great team, then you either need an amazing high level coach (that can always get more out of the whole, than the individual parts) or you have to recruit at the very top of the totem pole. If you don't have either of those things, then you can luck your way into some success (by having lot of rare local talent to recruit, or having guys play way above their heads). And IMO, that is how 2000-2006 happened. But to me, that's not a sustainable method to replicate 2000-2006. And when people bring up the 1980s, I'd love if Illinois could own Chicago again. I'd love if it was expected that guys on the level of Deon Thomas, Marcus Liberty, Kendall Gill, Nick Anderson were expected to attend Illinois. But that dynamic, isn't there anymore and IMO it's never coming back because of the current demographics of the school. The alumni being created is not a state pride alumni base. It's a world-wide alumni base, with lot of graduates and state residents leaving Illinois. Then you just have the ease of national recruiting (with technology) compared to the 1980s, where a great kid in Chicago can be just as easily recruited by Kansas, Kentucky, Duke, Arizona, UCLA as they can by Illinois. I almost think 2000-2006 set an unreasonable expectation level that if you asked Underwood about that - he'd tell you "well, give me 3 local McDonald's All Americans, and I'll have a good team....or just let 3 of my recruits that nobody expects to become NBA players, let them become NBA draft picks and I'll have a good team"....I bet even he has to look at that era and think "man, those guys were really lucky". But somehow, that lucky streak created an expectation level among Illini fans that are now gonna be pissed off at me if I can't meet that. [/QUOTE]
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