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Calvin

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Offseason, so posting an article on rule changes.

I was skeptical of the changes for 2016, but to my surprise, I thought they did a good job with them. The experimental rules scared me a bit (4 quarters for example, which I think would make bad officiating even more impactful.) Likely rule changes for 2017 seem pretty reasonable. I do wonder if the cylinder rule will be well implemented. I could see a lot of circumstances where that becomes controversial.

http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/deeper-3-point-line-or-4-quarters-not-among-ncaas-proposed-rule-changes-just-yet/
 
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TownieMatt
Calvin said:
Offseason, so posting an article on rule changes.

I was skeptical of the changes for 2016, but to my surprise, I thought they did a good job with them. The experimental rules scared me a bit (4 quarters for example, which I think would make bad officiating even more impactful.) Likely rule changes for 2017 seem pretty reasonable. I do wonder if the cylinder rule will be well implemented. I could see a lot of circumstances where that becomes controversial.

http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/deeper-3-point-line-or-4-quarters-not-among-ncaas-proposed-rule-changes-just-yet/
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I actually disagree with your four quarters assessment. I thought resetting the fouls each quarter negated some bad officiating. It hits the reset button on the officiating four times, instead of just two.

The quarter system also made the game flow a lot better without all the annoying TV timeouts. I know there are messy TV contracts to deal with here, but going to quarters with one TV timeout midway through would be welcomed IMO. It also just makes sense; college basketball is the only level in the world that uses halves instead of quarters.
 
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Hoppy2105
TownieMatt said:
I actually disagree with your four quarters assessment. I thought resetting the fouls each quarter negated some bad officiating. It hits the reset button on the officiating four times, instead of just two.

The quarter system also made the game flow a lot better without all the annoying TV timeouts. I know there are messy TV contracts to deal with here, but going to quarters with one TV timeout midway through would be welcomed IMO. It also just makes sense; college basketball is the only level in the world that uses halves instead of quarters.
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If they go to quarters I hope they actually use a first, second, third, and fourth quarter. None of this weird first half of the first half nonsense or resetting the fouls at the 9:59 mark of a half even if the clock is running and there is no stoppage in play.

Just make it 4, 10-minute quarters that all have an "end" and I'd be good with the change.
 
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Adnarel
I like the intent behind their exploration of 4 quarters. I just hate games that turn into free throw slogs, particularly near the end of regulation. It isn't fun basketball for anybody. Perhaps they will find a way to prevent that from happening so much. I rather like 4 quarters and its impact on fouls, but I know not everybody did.

The expansion of instant replay to get block/charge calls correct is good. While recognizing there are those with a real visceral dislike of using instant replay, I welcome it. I think most Illinois fans ought to be fairly sympathetic to using instant replay.

I like the clarification on screens. It means they're going to call a ton of them while the players are adjusting, which will be annoying, but I like the change all the same.

In general, nothing too controversial this year. Interesting request from the SEC. Did that transpire due to a specific incident that I missed?
 
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Ransom Stoddard
Hoppy2105 said:
If they go to quarters I hope they actually use a first, second, third, and fourth quarter. None of this weird first half of the first half nonsense or resetting the fouls at the 9:59 mark of a half even if the clock is running and there is no stoppage in play.

Just make it 4, 10-minute quarters that all have an "end" and I'd be good with the change.
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And go to just 1 media timeout per quarter at the 5 minute mark. But that won't happen because of advertising dollars.
 
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RichBradIllini
Adnarel said:
I like the intent behind their exploration of 4 quarters. I just hate games that turn into free throw slogs, particularly near the end of regulation. It isn't fun basketball for anybody. Perhaps they will find a way to prevent that from happening so much. I rather like 4 quarters and its impact on fouls, but I know not everybody did.

The expansion of instant replay to get block/charge calls correct is good. While recognizing there are those with a real visceral dislike of using instant replay, I welcome it. I think most Illinois fans ought to be fairly sympathetic to using instant replay.

I like the clarification on screens. It means they're going to call a ton of them while the players are adjusting, which will be annoying, but I like the change all the same.

In general, nothing too controversial this year. Interesting request from the SEC. Did that transpire due to a specific incident that I missed?
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Wow, really? I wish they'd clean up what's already on the books before adding more reasons for instant replay. There was many a game last year that became almost unbearable to watch due to over-reliance on instant replay. More often than not, refs made the right call.
 
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ChiefIllini
RichBradIllini said:
Wow, really? I wish they'd clean up what's already on the books before adding more reasons for instant replay. There was many a game last year that became almost unbearable to watch due to over-reliance on instant replay. More often than not, refs made the right call.
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Modernization of sports, specifically using instant replay, is difficult to gain a consensus on. As long as there is some human element to making calls in games, there will always be errors. There's also got to be some sort of balance in terms of time consumed reviewing and the amount of reviewable plays.

Personally I think there were a few games/calls last year I watched that were dragged on way too long looking at plays. I would prefer some sort of model like the NHL uses. They have a team in Montreal that reviews all challenges and plays and determine from there what the call should be. Hopefully, this eliminates different opinions on rules each ref may have.

In the end, getting calls wrong is part of the game. Eliminating as many as possible is good for the sport, but not if its going to cause games to drag on forever. I think a lot of rules in basketball are just vague enough to cause a lot of doubt in calls.
 
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WesterveltVictoryCigar
Adnarel said:
The expansion of instant replay to get block/charge calls correct is good. While recognizing there are those with a real visceral dislike of using instant replay, I welcome it. I think most Illinois fans ought to be fairly sympathetic to using instant replay.
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You scared me for a second, so I decided to read the article. :)

Fortunately, this "review" is only to determine if a defender is in the semi-circle under the hoop.

At first I thought your comment meant any block/charge call could be reviewed, which would be a disaster.
 
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Adnarel
Oh, absolutely. They stipulated a very specific set of circumstances in which to review, one that I feel is pretty reasonable. Being able to review all block/charge calls from the whole game would be awful.
 
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TownieMatt
WesterveltVictoryCigar said:
You scared me for a second, so I decided to read the article. :)

Fortunately, this "review" is only to determine if a defender is in the semi-circle under the hoop.

At first I thought your comment meant any block/charge call could be reviewed, which would be a disaster.
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Yea, replay for standard block/charge calls would be a bit like using replay for balls/strikes, no thanks.

Is it just me, or has the semi-circle pretty much eliminated the charge anyway? Long gone are the days of Lucas Johnson sliding in front on a driving opponent to take a momentum-swinging charge.
 
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WesterveltVictoryCigar
TownieMatt said:
Is it just me, or has the semi-circle pretty much eliminated the charge anyway? Long gone are the days of Lucas Johnson sliding in front on a driving opponent to take a momentum-swinging charge.
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I think it's just you because IMO college refs call way too many charges. I just think they love to make that dramatic arm thrust going the other way.

Except for that one season when they decided to call everything a block for most of the non-conference schedule. Then it's been back to "normal" since then.
 
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