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<blockquote data-quote="Calvin" data-source="post: 1438473" data-attributes="member: 4069"><p>It's a rookie mistake. He'll learn. There are much better ways to set up a contract so you get the option of retaining, but the coach has a reasonable buyout that tapers appropriately. Whitman thought he had a high major coach, possibly a great one, and didn't want to get screwed later. He didn't really structure it to protect the University, if he made a mistake. And he was in a rough position IIRC. The market wasn't good for us, but was good for Underwood, being a proven coach. It may well be that the "proven" part at Oklahoma had to do with getting players through an assistant that played under the table, and SFA was inheriting a proven system. So far, he's failed here, but will get this season and 2 more before the buyout it tenable IMO. As much as I could criticize the results, I think Whitman isn't a guy to repeat his mistakes. That buyout will haunt Whitman enough that he'll think long and hard about how to not get caught in that position again. Lots of different things he could have done to work that better.</p><p></p><p>I think an awful lot of fans are done with Underwood. He didn't do anything last year, was given a pass, and hasn't shown much of anything this year. We're young and shouldn't be expected to be good, but there are a lot of warning signs that things aren't on a good trajectory. There's just too much failure here between the decline under Weber, Groce, and now Underwood. If there were any obvious signs of hope, I think people would hang on.</p><p></p><p>I tend to look at things a bit differently than most. I'm not happy with recruiting, but I would rather wait to see if the guys we have can run his system before making a big judgement there. I am <em>very</em> concerned that he's not landing the guys he's targeting at anywhere near the rate needed to be successful. There's no good explanation for that.</p><p></p><p>On the eye test, I'm not seeing us do the little things, which is culture and leadership IMO. The Tyler thing is blown way out of proportion. There was pressure to win this game, and he was seeing us get flustered --bringing in a reliable, but overall lessor player, who won't throw the ball away, might have gotten things back on track. The optics are terrible because A.) it didn't work, and B.) he did it twice. He needs to rethink that ASAP, and smooth it over. Like it or not, this is a throw away season. Build good habits, play for development, and let every game be a learning environment. Sad, but it is what it is and the buck stops with the HC.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Calvin, post: 1438473, member: 4069"] It's a rookie mistake. He'll learn. There are much better ways to set up a contract so you get the option of retaining, but the coach has a reasonable buyout that tapers appropriately. Whitman thought he had a high major coach, possibly a great one, and didn't want to get screwed later. He didn't really structure it to protect the University, if he made a mistake. And he was in a rough position IIRC. The market wasn't good for us, but was good for Underwood, being a proven coach. It may well be that the "proven" part at Oklahoma had to do with getting players through an assistant that played under the table, and SFA was inheriting a proven system. So far, he's failed here, but will get this season and 2 more before the buyout it tenable IMO. As much as I could criticize the results, I think Whitman isn't a guy to repeat his mistakes. That buyout will haunt Whitman enough that he'll think long and hard about how to not get caught in that position again. Lots of different things he could have done to work that better. I think an awful lot of fans are done with Underwood. He didn't do anything last year, was given a pass, and hasn't shown much of anything this year. We're young and shouldn't be expected to be good, but there are a lot of warning signs that things aren't on a good trajectory. There's just too much failure here between the decline under Weber, Groce, and now Underwood. If there were any obvious signs of hope, I think people would hang on. I tend to look at things a bit differently than most. I'm not happy with recruiting, but I would rather wait to see if the guys we have can run his system before making a big judgement there. I am [I]very[/I] concerned that he's not landing the guys he's targeting at anywhere near the rate needed to be successful. There's no good explanation for that. On the eye test, I'm not seeing us do the little things, which is culture and leadership IMO. The Tyler thing is blown way out of proportion. There was pressure to win this game, and he was seeing us get flustered --bringing in a reliable, but overall lessor player, who won't throw the ball away, might have gotten things back on track. The optics are terrible because A.) it didn't work, and B.) he did it twice. He needs to rethink that ASAP, and smooth it over. Like it or not, this is a throw away season. Build good habits, play for development, and let every game be a learning environment. Sad, but it is what it is and the buck stops with the HC. [/QUOTE]
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