Name, Image, Likeness Rule

#176      
st petersburg, fl
Schools don't make 'hundreds of millions of dollars' off of athletics, either. In fact, the vast majority lose money. Per the NCAA only 25 programs finished in the black in 2018-19: https://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/research/finances-intercollegiate-athletics#:~:text=While 29 athletics departments reported positive generated net,$18.8 billion was spent on athletics in 2019.
Illinois wasn't among those 25. In fact, our athletic department has finished in the black only once since 2014: http://cafidatabase.knightcommissio...a-champaign#!quicktabs-tab-institution_data-1
I have no problem with these folks making money off of NIL but it isn't accurate to say that they are being exploited by their schools.

It's not hard to show the institution you manage is not making money when your compensation is in no way tied to that institution making money in the first place. In fact, in those cases, you're often incentivized to show you're NOT making money (lest the parent institution seeing the $ comes in and takes it from you).
 
#177      
Winged Warrior
Schools don't make 'hundreds of millions of dollars' off of athletics, either. In fact, the vast majority lose money. Per the NCAA only 25 programs finished in the black in 2018-19: https://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/research/finances-intercollegiate-athletics#:~:text=While 29 athletics departments reported positive generated net,$18.8 billion was spent on athletics in 2019.
Illinois wasn't among those 25. In fact, our athletic department has finished in the black only once since 2014: http://cafidatabase.knightcommissio...a-champaign#!quicktabs-tab-institution_data-1
I have no problem with these folks making money off of NIL but it isn't accurate to say that they are being exploited by their schools.

Maybe not directly by "their schools", but if you don't think the NCAA has been exploiting these athletes for decades, I have a sweet deal on a nice beach house for you. It includes a bridge to your own private island. With basic cable.
 
#178      
Maybe not directly by "their schools", but if you don't think the NCAA has been exploiting these athletes for decades, I have a sweet deal on a nice beach house for you. It includes a bridge to your own private island. With basic cable.
If it's the Loyalty beach house that place is trashed. Maybe with this upcoming bball season we can finally get enough cash to fix that place up.
 
#179      
There's a reason the highest paid public employee in most states is either a college football or basketball coach. The amount of money flowing into the NCAA has been significant. Players are still not able to benefit directly from ticket sales or TV deals. The new rule basically lifts the bar from them benefitting financially on their own fame. I don't understand how anyone can be against that. Is this the best system? Probably not. Is this better than a system in which a head coach makes millions while the athletes playing the game get nothing and are actively barred from doing something as simple as working a job delivering pizzas on the side? I think the best example I've seen is a guy on the Marshall football team who's also a talented musician. Because of NCAA rules he wasn't allowed to play gigs under his real name, promote his shows, or profit from his performances. Now he can. It's wild to me that it took a Supreme Court case for that to happen.
 
#180      
Winged Warrior
If it's the Loyalty beach house that place is trashed. Maybe with this upcoming bball season we can finally get enough cash to fix that place up.
There are many Loyalty beach houses. They are all assuredly overvalued. Many have exchanged hands in ill advised wagers and probably receive insufficient care and upkeep.
All that matters is the beach.
 
#181      
Schools don't make 'hundreds of millions of dollars' off of athletics, either. In fact, the vast majority lose money. Per the NCAA only 25 programs finished in the black in 2018-19: https://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/research/finances-intercollegiate-athletics#:~:text=While 29 athletics departments reported positive generated net,$18.8 billion was spent on athletics in 2019.
Illinois wasn't among those 25. In fact, our athletic department has finished in the black only once since 2014: http://cafidatabase.knightcommissio...a-champaign#!quicktabs-tab-institution_data-1
I have no problem with these folks making money off of NIL but it isn't accurate to say that they are being exploited by their schools.
Athletic departments main income comes from football and basketball(ie revenue sports) that then get used to fund everything else. That's why most typically end in the red. That doesn't mean they still aren't making hundreds of millions of football/basketball players.
 
#182      
DC Area
This may have been addressed but can a high schooler start promoting products under NIL?
 
#188      
Forgottonia
And, what a surprise, NCAA top officers' pay increases despite 50% revenue declines...
That’s criminal. I’m not even against high salaries for people who have proven their worth. He has proven the opposite and presided over their demise. Which probably will entitle him to a golden parachute exit at some point.
 
#189      
It's not hard to show the institution you manage is not making money

Yup. Inter-departmental accounting is more a function of how they want the books to look than anything tethered to reality. There's ample opportunity to cherry pick what charges go where, or what internal transfer pricing is used for shared costs, University overhead, etc..
 
#190      
That’s criminal. I’m not even against high salaries for people who have proven their worth. He has proven the opposite and presided over their demise. Which probably will entitle him to a golden parachute exit at some point.
You are 100 percent correct. NCAA has not handle many things well. The NCAA is a joke. There’s a lot of room for improvement
 
#191      
I wonder with the new revenue coming to the players by selling thing, commercials, autographs, plus practice time, plus school work I wonder what will slip. Can they make a new degree call a BS NIL. When was the last time a player at UI was dropped from the program because of grades? There is only so much time in a day.
 
#192      
Chicago, IL
I wonder with the new revenue coming to the players by selling thing, commercials, autographs, plus practice time, plus school work I wonder what will slip. Can they make a new degree call a BS NIL. When was the last time a player at UI was dropped from the program because of grades? There is only so much time in a day.
If you were in any school other than Engineering (and maybe business) and were spending more than 2+ hours on school work everyday, you did college wrong (in my experience).

Plus, athletes have set tutoring hours and other academic help. I'm positive the university has made sure this won't negatively impact academic eligibility.
 
#194      
Forgottonia
Welp...
The genie is out of the bottle and she ain‘t going back in.

Christina Aguilera Dance GIF by Lip Sync Battle
 
#195      
If you were in any school other than Engineering (and maybe business) and were spending more than 2+ hours on school work everyday, you did college wrong (in my experience).

Plus, athletes have set tutoring hours and other academic help. I'm positive the university has made sure this won't negatively impact academic eligibility.
Education (classroom and otherwise) is like anything else, Kat. The harder you work at it, the more you get out of it. IMHO, engineers, doctors, lawyers, etc., get too much credit (at the expense of other curricula/professions). No one field is superior to any other, if you put your heart into it.

Now, back to basketball.
 
#196      
Chicago, IL
Education (classroom and otherwise) is like anything else, Kat. The harder you work at it, the more you get out of it. IMHO, engineers, doctors, lawyers, etc., get too much credit (at the expense of other curricula/professions). No one field is superior to any other, if you put your heart into it.

Now, back to basketball.
Thanks for the lecture? I'm chuckling because I was a double major in LAS. I know that no program is "worth" less than another. But literally my engineering husband had double the work time because of required labs, etc. even though he had a single major and no minor. It wasn't a value judgment. Just a statement of fact. Engineering requires more facetime.

Very few of our athletes (few, not none!) are in those time intensive programs. Most DI athletic departments have certain majors they try to steer undecided students toward to make sure it doesn't interfere with practice or increase the odds of them messing up their academic eligibility. If a student insists on a major, they'll make it work, but there's a reason so few student athletes are like J Lehman (econ) and so many are in tourism and leisure. That was my point. The universities have it worked out so student-athletes don't drop the ball thanks to additional NIL time constraints.
 
#197      
The desert
Thanks for the lecture? I'm chuckling because I was a double major in LAS. I know that no program is "worth" less than another. But literally my engineering husband had double the work time because of required labs, etc. even though he had a single major and no minor. It wasn't a value judgment. Just a statement of fact. Engineering requires more facetime.

Very few of our athletes (few, not none!) are in those time intensive programs. Most DI athletic departments have certain majors they try to steer undecided students toward to make sure it doesn't interfere with practice or increase the odds of them messing up their academic eligibility. If a student insists on a major, they'll make it work, but there's a reason so few student athletes are like J Lehman (econ) and so many are in tourism and leisure. That was my point. The universities have it worked out so student-athletes don't drop the ball thanks to additional NIL time constraints.
Don't forget Ryan McDonald, All-American Honorable Mention starting Center for the football team with a 3.8+ in aerospace engineering, earned an MS in aerospace engineering in his final year.
 
#198      
Thanks for the lecture? I'm chuckling because I was a double major in LAS. I know that no program is "worth" less than another. But literally my engineering husband had double the work time because of required labs, etc. even though he had a single major and no minor. It wasn't a value judgment. Just a statement of fact. Engineering requires more facetime.

Very few of our athletes (few, not none!) are in those time intensive programs. Most DI athletic departments have certain majors they try to steer undecided students toward to make sure it doesn't interfere with practice or increase the odds of them messing up their academic eligibility. If a student insists on a major, they'll make it work, but there's a reason so few student athletes are like J Lehman (econ) and so many are in tourism and leisure. That was my point. The universities have it worked out so student-athletes don't drop the ball thanks to additional NIL time constraints.

My humble and respectful opinion on what I am reading is that Kat seems like a pretty cool wife.
No flirting or sexist commentary here intended. My wife is awesome. Love her big time. She does kinda roll her eyes when she sees me posting on this board. Keep in mind, I’m an 85grad that doesn’t do social media whatsoever.
Bottom line…..Mad respect having Kat on here with great takes and perspective.
 
#199      
Chicago, IL
My humble and respectful opinion on what I am reading is that Kat seems like a pretty cool wife.
No flirting or sexist commentary here intended. My wife is awesome. Love her big time. She does kinda roll her eyes when she sees me posting on this board. Keep in mind, I’m an 85grad that doesn’t do social media whatsoever.
Bottom line…..Mad respect having Kat on here with great takes and perspective.
Much appreciated. I got a really good one, and while my husband likes sports, I'm the one his fraternity brothers call when there's big Illini news. They know I'll be way more geeked out than he would be.

I love being here and sharing thoughts with y'all. (I know I'm not the only woman here.) It's nice to have the community away from campus.