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News-Gazette: Brad Underwood cleared in DIA Investigation into his coaching
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<blockquote data-quote="Berg88" data-source="post: 1463348" data-attributes="member: 7871"><p>I have my own opinion of this situation, and I see high potential for bad actors to play on either side of this. However, I don't see anything productive coming out of further investigations, and I do see plenty of opportunity for harm. Given who's cleared Underwood in the internal investigation, I'm ok with this.</p><p></p><p>And to be honest, I think outside investigations are generally more credible *provided* you have investigators who don't have their own agenda, and are actually trying to be constructive with their findings. I just find this thing to be a hot mess that's better off left alone at this point. Not enough to be gained by airing it out and forcing more bad actions by pressing the matter.</p></blockquote><p></p><p>I'm not the poster you're replying to, but I'm another poster who thinks this should have been handled by an outside investigation. </p><p></p><p></p><p>To the best of my understanding, we don't know who the accuser is. It's possible that whoever the accuser is had reasons to lie. This will be truly in the case of nearly any accusation. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Probably it should have little impact on the university's decision making process. "We didn't look into it because he seemed like he had a pretty compelling reason to lie" is not going to play well if the accusations are later found out to be true. More important to the magnitude of the process would be any sort of collaborating evidence and documentation. </p><p></p><p></p><p>The university/DIA DID pay for the time and expense of an investigation. They, IMO, should have used that money to pay for an outside investigation. It would likely be more expensive anyway, but for the extra money you'll be getting a more credible investigation. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Probably the same thing that happened during this investigation. As the investigation continues, the AD likely works with the investigators to continue evaluating that decision. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, but being falsely accused of something does not imbue individuals with infallible insight into these issues, so I'm not sure why it's relevant. </p><p></p><p></p><p>If you find the allegations to be true? You protect your student athletes from abuse. Student athletes are on the short end of a huge power imbalance, and their protection should be a very high priority of every university. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It's hard to say based on the above wording. What does "drew the attention of" mean? Did they personally investigate the issue? Did they oversee it? Did they read a report about the investigation? I candidly don't know what role these people had in the process, so it's hard to speak about how seriously they took it.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The complaint came at the end of a season that saw an unprecedented (for Illinois) number of players leave the program while they still had eligibility remaining. Perhaps the most in program history (if anyone knows of a year more than 6 left please feel free to correct me). It also came at the end of a season where the coach's behavior towards players gave the AD reason to step in and address the issue with the coach. And in that environment, the investigation, done by people inside the university and likely inside the DIA, failed to ask the unprecedented number of players who were leaving about the allegations. I don't know how anyone can think that isn't a bad look. This at a university that dealt with a scandal in our football program not 4 years ago about one of the same issues complained of here that resulted in the football coach and AD both losing their jobs. It's a bad look. Have the investigation done by outside professionals and avoid all of this ugliness.</p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="Berg88, post: 1463348, member: 7871"] I have my own opinion of this situation, and I see high potential for bad actors to play on either side of this. However, I don't see anything productive coming out of further investigations, and I do see plenty of opportunity for harm. Given who's cleared Underwood in the internal investigation, I'm ok with this. And to be honest, I think outside investigations are generally more credible *provided* you have investigators who don't have their own agenda, and are actually trying to be constructive with their findings. I just find this thing to be a hot mess that's better off left alone at this point. Not enough to be gained by airing it out and forcing more bad actions by pressing the matter.[/QUOTE] I'm not the poster you're replying to, but I'm another poster who thinks this should have been handled by an outside investigation. To the best of my understanding, we don't know who the accuser is. It's possible that whoever the accuser is had reasons to lie. This will be truly in the case of nearly any accusation. Probably it should have little impact on the university's decision making process. "We didn't look into it because he seemed like he had a pretty compelling reason to lie" is not going to play well if the accusations are later found out to be true. More important to the magnitude of the process would be any sort of collaborating evidence and documentation. The university/DIA DID pay for the time and expense of an investigation. They, IMO, should have used that money to pay for an outside investigation. It would likely be more expensive anyway, but for the extra money you'll be getting a more credible investigation. Probably the same thing that happened during this investigation. As the investigation continues, the AD likely works with the investigators to continue evaluating that decision. Yes, but being falsely accused of something does not imbue individuals with infallible insight into these issues, so I'm not sure why it's relevant. If you find the allegations to be true? You protect your student athletes from abuse. Student athletes are on the short end of a huge power imbalance, and their protection should be a very high priority of every university. It's hard to say based on the above wording. What does "drew the attention of" mean? Did they personally investigate the issue? Did they oversee it? Did they read a report about the investigation? I candidly don't know what role these people had in the process, so it's hard to speak about how seriously they took it. The complaint came at the end of a season that saw an unprecedented (for Illinois) number of players leave the program while they still had eligibility remaining. Perhaps the most in program history (if anyone knows of a year more than 6 left please feel free to correct me). It also came at the end of a season where the coach's behavior towards players gave the AD reason to step in and address the issue with the coach. And in that environment, the investigation, done by people inside the university and likely inside the DIA, failed to ask the unprecedented number of players who were leaving about the allegations. I don't know how anyone can think that isn't a bad look. This at a university that dealt with a scandal in our football program not 4 years ago about one of the same issues complained of here that resulted in the football coach and AD both losing their jobs. It's a bad look. Have the investigation done by outside professionals and avoid all of this ugliness. [/QUOTE]
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