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Penn State 74, Illinois 52 POSTGAME
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<blockquote data-quote="mattcoldagelli" data-source="post: 1374362" data-attributes="member: 11524"><p>Not to single out bobbob, but his post is the longest. We can try to analyze what is going wrong without being dishonest and blatantly reductive. For example:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Another change: playing in the B1G and not the Horizon League. May be significant.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I mean...yeah. AJ is a shooter. Defenses are going to work very hard to stop him from getting open looks. Saying "run a play to get him an open look" is helpful in the way yelling "hit somebody!" is helpful for a struggling football defense. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Actually, our entire approach to offense and defense changed. And our roster changed - for this team to be successful, Finke was going to have be one of the leaders and fill some of Malcolm Hill's void. This is more nuanced than just comparing shooting percentages.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't know why we would give recruiting rankings precedence over what we see with our own eyes. Rankings are about how HS players will project as college basketball players, but guess what? We don't have to project! We're watching them play college basketball. </p><p></p><p>And what we have is a team that cannot shoot. We are barely clearing 30% from 3, which is just shockingly bad. We need guys who can make shots, guys who can create shots, guys who can alter shots. I'm oversimplifying but these are the things that win college basketball games, and we are deficient in all of these skillsets regardless of how many of our guys fell inside the top 100.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Here's some bad faith. You conveniently skip over our most recent coach in arguing this point. It's almost as if comparing Illinois basketball now to Illinois basketball at its highest point in program history is comparing apples to oranges!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>DO we have noticeable trouble inbounding the ball? Or did an inbounds play gone awry cost us 1 (arguably 2) games and people are now hyper-fixated on it? This is a honest question.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>See above re: shooting.</p><p></p><p>Also - we DO run these plays! I know I'm not the only one seeing a regular stream of cutters to the lane who are not either being seen by a ballhandler on the wing, or being seen too slowly. We run handoffs to Trent for the express purpose of getting him the ball on his way to the basket. It is not like we go through these scoring droughts because we don't get any looks, it's because we don't make them. (I'd also argue, although our offensive rebounding percentage is actually good, we don't convert as many of those misses into easy, stop-the-bleeding putbacks that we should/need to)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mattcoldagelli, post: 1374362, member: 11524"] Not to single out bobbob, but his post is the longest. We can try to analyze what is going wrong without being dishonest and blatantly reductive. For example: Another change: playing in the B1G and not the Horizon League. May be significant. I mean...yeah. AJ is a shooter. Defenses are going to work very hard to stop him from getting open looks. Saying "run a play to get him an open look" is helpful in the way yelling "hit somebody!" is helpful for a struggling football defense. Actually, our entire approach to offense and defense changed. And our roster changed - for this team to be successful, Finke was going to have be one of the leaders and fill some of Malcolm Hill's void. This is more nuanced than just comparing shooting percentages. I don't know why we would give recruiting rankings precedence over what we see with our own eyes. Rankings are about how HS players will project as college basketball players, but guess what? We don't have to project! We're watching them play college basketball. And what we have is a team that cannot shoot. We are barely clearing 30% from 3, which is just shockingly bad. We need guys who can make shots, guys who can create shots, guys who can alter shots. I'm oversimplifying but these are the things that win college basketball games, and we are deficient in all of these skillsets regardless of how many of our guys fell inside the top 100. Here's some bad faith. You conveniently skip over our most recent coach in arguing this point. It's almost as if comparing Illinois basketball now to Illinois basketball at its highest point in program history is comparing apples to oranges! DO we have noticeable trouble inbounding the ball? Or did an inbounds play gone awry cost us 1 (arguably 2) games and people are now hyper-fixated on it? This is a honest question. See above re: shooting. Also - we DO run these plays! I know I'm not the only one seeing a regular stream of cutters to the lane who are not either being seen by a ballhandler on the wing, or being seen too slowly. We run handoffs to Trent for the express purpose of getting him the ball on his way to the basket. It is not like we go through these scoring droughts because we don't get any looks, it's because we don't make them. (I'd also argue, although our offensive rebounding percentage is actually good, we don't convert as many of those misses into easy, stop-the-bleeding putbacks that we should/need to) [/QUOTE]
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