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<blockquote data-quote="bobbob" data-source="post: 1374391" data-attributes="member: 531828"><p>Did you honestly think he would struggle this much? McInstosh went from Illinois State to Oregon and is shooting fine. Daniel III went from Howard to Tennessee and shooting fine. Those are the only other two guys I am seeing who transferred up from last year and are playing this year. Alstork's defense somehow transfers, but shooting doesn't?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Or saying "just recruit shooters" is helpful to a team short on talent...</p><p></p><p>Yes, it would be easier to get him looks if the defense had to be more honest on the other players. But there was a five game stretch where AJ had 3 3-point attempts. If he's the only threat we have, we have to get him the ball in a spot he can do something with it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Isn't the approach to offense and defense considered "coaching"? </p><p></p><p>Of course this more nuanced than comparing percentages, but it also a lot more nuanced than "just recruit shooters and bigs". A coach has to put the players he has in position to succeed. We have a guy we know can shoot adequately, we have a need for outside shooting, yet we aren't able to put him in a position to succeed. </p><p></p><p>Yes, Finke is being forced to play a sub-optimal role due to the roster, but I don't accept that as the sole reason his numbers are down.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Because they indicate a talent level before you introduce the variable of our coaching. Or is just a strange random coincidence that all our decently rated guys are under-performing?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>A little bad faith, but more an homage to the complaints last year of the number of 20+ losses Groce was racking up. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I have no clue where one would pick up those stats. But we have had at least three higher pressure ones go very wrong (Maryland, New Mexico, last night). I would accept that once is accident, but beyond that it is a coaching issue. Plenty of options - practice them more, change them to lower risk/reward, etc. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If the cutters are being missed, that is a coaching issue. Getting players to run the offense is what a coach does.</p><p></p><p>I'd agree on the O-reb aside; seems like we also pick up several of them relatively far from the basket. That may explain the discrepancy between the % and the points off. Though that feels like it should be a stat (pts off O-Reb/O-reb)...</p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm not calling for anyone to be fired or anything drastic like that. All I am saying is that based on what we have seen this year, it appears we are still operating at coaching deficit compared to the rest of the B1G.</p><p></p><p>I think it is too reductive and just say "we don't have the talent, not a coaching issue" when I see mistakes being repeated in February.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="bobbob, post: 1374391, member: 531828"] Did you honestly think he would struggle this much? McInstosh went from Illinois State to Oregon and is shooting fine. Daniel III went from Howard to Tennessee and shooting fine. Those are the only other two guys I am seeing who transferred up from last year and are playing this year. Alstork's defense somehow transfers, but shooting doesn't? Or saying "just recruit shooters" is helpful to a team short on talent... Yes, it would be easier to get him looks if the defense had to be more honest on the other players. But there was a five game stretch where AJ had 3 3-point attempts. If he's the only threat we have, we have to get him the ball in a spot he can do something with it. Isn't the approach to offense and defense considered "coaching"? Of course this more nuanced than comparing percentages, but it also a lot more nuanced than "just recruit shooters and bigs". A coach has to put the players he has in position to succeed. We have a guy we know can shoot adequately, we have a need for outside shooting, yet we aren't able to put him in a position to succeed. Yes, Finke is being forced to play a sub-optimal role due to the roster, but I don't accept that as the sole reason his numbers are down. Because they indicate a talent level before you introduce the variable of our coaching. Or is just a strange random coincidence that all our decently rated guys are under-performing? A little bad faith, but more an homage to the complaints last year of the number of 20+ losses Groce was racking up. I have no clue where one would pick up those stats. But we have had at least three higher pressure ones go very wrong (Maryland, New Mexico, last night). I would accept that once is accident, but beyond that it is a coaching issue. Plenty of options - practice them more, change them to lower risk/reward, etc. If the cutters are being missed, that is a coaching issue. Getting players to run the offense is what a coach does. I'd agree on the O-reb aside; seems like we also pick up several of them relatively far from the basket. That may explain the discrepancy between the % and the points off. Though that feels like it should be a stat (pts off O-Reb/O-reb)... I'm not calling for anyone to be fired or anything drastic like that. All I am saying is that based on what we have seen this year, it appears we are still operating at coaching deficit compared to the rest of the B1G. I think it is too reductive and just say "we don't have the talent, not a coaching issue" when I see mistakes being repeated in February. [/QUOTE]
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